doubling up on cat5 data

[J.C.E]

Evening guys

bad a school boy error! 1st fixed a single back box for a euro mod plate of 1x BT, 2x CAT5 outlets- obviously i can only get 2x mod in a single back box durrrrrr!!

the 2x cat5 are the 'start' of the radial out -as this is where it will connect to the router

can I double up the 2x cat5 into the back of the same mod- then patch out into the router

or is my mind correct and then need to be keep seperate??

-don't really want to chase in a double box as has been plastered+dec'ed

 

[shaunfriend]

You can’t double it up but all isn’t lost if you really cannot put a double box in. You could use an excel triple plate and then a mod tap to convert cat5 to BT

A couple of links for you to look at
RJ45 Adaptors - http://www.comm-links.co.uk/rj45-adaptors/?keyword=&gclid=CjwKCAjwo4jOBRBmEiwABWNaMW0DkfUFg14xP1U5V5nxpmQGrBZ8826zeyieym90YwW0srYk75gtjRoCgHsQAvD_BwE

And

Excel Cat.6 Triple Outlet with Faceplate from £7.50 | Adept Networks - https://adeptnetworks.co.uk/excel-cat-6-triple-outlet-with-faceplate?language=en&currency=GBP&gclid=CjwKCAjwo4jOBRBmEiwABWNaMQ4tSH_ma0FXceGK3U3b8ilzPRo-_Vd_1nXQ17R-fGmEQvU4kifdgRoCu78QAvD_BwE

You might also want to look at the pin out guides if you have never run telephone pairs over a cat5 cable.

Colour Chart for Telephone Wiring over CAT-5 cables (UK / US) - http://www.evonet.com/evonet/index.asp?Page=102

 

[rsgaz]

or is my mind correct and then need to be keep seperate??

Yes, must be separate.

You can fit two keystone modules into a euro module adapter though...

2 Port Keystone Housing Module - UNBRANDED | CPC - http://cpc.farnell.com/unbranded/av19569/keystone-housing-module-2-port/dp/AV19569

And see the first post on this page...
Ongoing: PlasmaDan's Living Room Cinema / Office Build - https://www.avforums.com/threads/ongoing-plasmadans-living-room-cinema-office-build.1992617/page-7

Keystone modules are pretty deep though!! How deep is the box?!

Gaz

 

[J.C.E]

Yes, must be separate.

You can fit two keystone modules into a euro module adapter though...

2 Port Keystone Housing Module - UNBRANDED | CPC - http://cpc.farnell.com/unbranded/av19569/keystone-housing-module-2-port/dp/AV19569

And see the first post on this page...
Ongoing: PlasmaDan's Living Room Cinema / Office Build - https://www.avforums.com/threads/ongoing-plasmadans-living-room-cinema-office-build.1992617/page-7

Keystone modules are pretty deep though!! How deep is the box?!

Gaz

LEGEND!
erm its a 35mm back box- should be ok?

 

[Octopus]

Why do you need 2 cat 5 points?

I normally put in 47mm boxes for multiple data points

 

[rsgaz]

35mm back box- should be ok?

These say they are 30mm deep...

5x RJ45 Keystone Jack Wall End Plug Cat 5e Ethernet LAN Network Module Adapter | eBay - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272620573689

...so it ought to fit!

 

[J.C.E]

Why do you need 2 cat 5 points?

there is 2x cat5 points in the house- 1 in lounge and 1 upstairs

they both run back to this point I am talking about- which is where the router will be
I usually terminate them into socket either end- then patch from the socket into the router

 

[SparkyChick]

You can actually put two streams of ethernet data through one RJ45 socket, providing you don't need POE capability down through the socket. You just need a special cable that splits the two out into separate sockets. I know it's possible because I used to do it quite a bit when places I've worked were running short on network outlets.

You can get economisers like this:-

Cat5e UTP Ethernet Cable Splitter, Voice/Voice - PRO SIGNAL | CPC - http://cpc.farnell.com/pro-signal/rj-econvv/cat5e-utp-voice-voice-cable-econ/dp/CS13871?CMP=KNC-GUK-CPC-GEN-SHOPPING-PRO%20SIGNAL-CS13871&gross_price=true&mckv=st8VeumQV_dc|pcrid|72935592137|kword||match||plid||pid|CS13871|&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIqZTK79601gIVGJSyCh23XQNhEAQYAiABEgKta_D_BwE

These allow you two streams down one cable.

Using the T568B standard, the orange pair are transmit and the green pair are receive, so unless you're using POE, blue and brown are spare. The economisers put the other channel on those colours. To run two cables from one socket, all you'd have to do is punch the orange/green pairs from the second cable down into the right slots to match the economiser.

 

[shaun1]

You can actually put two streams of ethernet data through one RJ45 socket, providing you don't need POE capability down through the socket. You just need a special cable that splits the two out into separate sockets. I know it's possible because I used to do it quite a bit when places I've worked were running short on network outlets.

You can get economisers like this:-

Cat5e UTP Ethernet Cable Splitter, Voice/Voice - PRO SIGNAL | CPC - http://cpc.farnell.com/pro-signal/rj-econvv/cat5e-utp-voice-voice-cable-econ/dp/CS13871?CMP=KNC-GUK-CPC-GEN-SHOPPING-PRO%20SIGNAL-CS13871&gross_price=true&mckv=st8VeumQV_dc|pcrid|72935592137|kword||match||plid||pid|CS13871|&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIqZTK79601gIVGJSyCh23XQNhEAQYAiABEgKta_D_BwE

These allow you two streams down one cable.

Using the T568B standard, the orange pair are transmit and the green pair are receive, so unless you're using POE, blue and brown are spare. The economisers put the other channel on those colours. To run two cables from one socket, all you'd have to do is punch the orange/green pairs from the second cable down into the right slots to match the economiser.

This will only work at speeds up to 100Mbps. Gigabit Ethernet requires all 4 pairs.

 

[SparkyChick]

This will only work at speeds up to 100Mbps. Gigabit Ethernet requires all 4 pairs.

Never looked at the 1000BaseT pin specs, so useful info

 

[123]

Given it's at the router end and always going to be used, why not just stick RJ45 plugs on the end and put a brush module on the plate alongside the phone module?