EICR - commercial and domestic differences

[Eddiesparks]

Hello there boys and girls,

I've been away a few weeks, being rushed off my feet with loads of work thank God! Hope you all have enough to do yourselves.

Anyway...

I have done a fair few EICRs on domestic properties and I think I am pretty clued up about the relevant regs etc.

I'm about to do a couple of EICRs on the common areas of some flats for the management company. I don't think there's many differences, just doing the usual testing for sockets and lights pretty much - in fact a fair buit more simple (?!?!). They have 60898 boards with no RCD protection at all. I suppose as sockets being used by unskilled or uninstructed people, concealed cables <50mm BUT sockets unlikely to be powering mobile outdoor equipment and no bathroom zones (obviously!) then this in itself is only a C3. (providing satisfactory Zs results)

Is this right?

Also, is there anything else glaringly different between domestic and commerical (as I understand common areas are) EICRs?

There's no emergency lighting and no fire alarm system but i understand this is not to be explicitly highlighted as a fault on the EICR as this will be the remit of the fire risk assessment.

I will price up the remedial work too but I am not a cowboy - I genuinely always try and use the regs to try and find cheaper solutions for customers rather than the other way round like some cheeky so-and-sos do (giving us honest blokes a bad name!!)

Thanks peoples,

Eddie

 

[wozz]

What reg number would you attribute to cabling in a communal area not being LSF?

 

[GLENNSPARK]

What reg number would you attribute to cabling in a communal area not being LSF?

OK...see your point and will stand corrected...i however had it as good practice..

 

[markc123]

I'm doing this one for £17.50 a circuit. Usually do for £20 a circuit. Roughly!

I tell you what though, if a CU is not or incorrectly labelled i swear it takes about half an hour to work out what everything is!

Shouldn't really stick ure prices on an open forum mate...

 

[Badged01]

What reg number would you attribute to cabling in a communal area not being LSF?

Cant think of the reg off the top of my head (somewhere in chapter 1) but its around external/environmental factors. If you as the inspector deem its applicable of course!

 

[Badged01]

Im sad so I look for something, babysitting all day makes you do strange things ....... 132.5.1? Supplemented by environmental factors in the BGB appendix's?

Never quoted anything to do with these on an EICR myself but could see how you could apply it -- the BGB is open to interpretation!

 

[wozz]

personally I wouldnt be going to 132.5.1, 132.5.1 seems a bit closer but I would describe a average landlords to be susceptible, i think that lot is more aimed at explosive atmospheres ect, but could be wrong.

id be looking at 422.2.1, if its high rise flats, not sure if the OPs situation is this. I also have a note ive written saying 11 storey plus not sure where that came from.

Im sure there is another that refers to fixings being able to withstand fire but cant find it at the moment, im sure the one im thinking of doesnt require BD2.

Glenspark nice to see people can admit their mistakes on forums, most dont.

It was good to have a stroll through the book its been a while!

 

[GLENNSPARK]

personally I wouldnt be going to 132.5.1, 132.5.1 seems a bit closer but I would describe a average landlords to be susceptible, i think that lot is more aimed at explosive atmospheres ect, but could be wrong.

id be looking at 422.2.1, if its high rise flats, not sure if the OPs situation is this. I also have a note ive written saying 11 storey plus not sure where that came from.

Im sure there is another that refers to fixings being able to withstand fire but cant find it at the moment, im sure the one im thinking of doesnt require BD2.

Glenspark nice to see people can admit their mistakes on forums, most dont.

It was good to have a stroll through the book its been a while!

well...more often than not i`m making comments and remarks about others faux pas...so its nice to be given a slap....its needed from time to time...lol..

 

[Badged01]

...so its nice to be given a slap....its needed from time to time...lol..

But preferably from a leggy blond with big accessories and in the stilletto heels

 

[wozz]

Wouldnt call that a slap. haha

Also wouldnt say you were wrong, I would just say its more down to the construction of the building and the designer to make them decisions than the poor sparky who at most could comment.

 

[Eddiesparks]

What reg number would you attribute to cabling in a communal area not being LSF?

Regulation 422.2.1 - escape routes and lsf. So this counts definitely as an escape route?? C3?! What do you lot think?

 

[Eddiesparks]

Sorry wozz just read your post!

 

[Eddiesparks]

Imho you should be well out of the building (or dead!!) before u start worrying about pvc fumes!!

 

[Badged01]

Regulation 422.2.1 - escape routes and lsf. So this counts definitely as an escape route?? C3?! What do you lot think?

Again its down to the inspector but Im guessingin flats the stairwell doesnt present "difficult escape conditions/high density population" so doesnt apply?

 

[Eddiesparks]

Yep i see your point. Good old ambiguous regs eh?!