EICR ... Customer obliged legally?

[mikeyb1000]

If an ECIR given to a customer comes up as unsatisfactory. Are they legally obliged to make the necessary upgrades?

 

[telectrix]

nope...but they have a duty of care to anyone living in or visiting the premises, and if it's dangerous then they could be prosecuted.

 

[Guest55]

there is absolutely nothing with regards to domestic electrical installations that is legally enforcable.

so you'll have to look elsewhere to screw over a customer following a pir :-D

 

[SirKit Breaker]

If an ECIR given to a customer comes up as unsatisfactory. Are they legally obliged to make the necessary upgrades?

As Tel and Biff, they are not obliged to do anything, but what do you mean by upgrades? Is it a C1 or C2 defect you want them to have sorted out, or are you just advising C3 for something like no RCD's for Additional Protection? If the only reason that it is "Unsatisfactory" is because it doesn't comply with current standards, then is is not Unsatisfactory.


Cheers..............Howard

 

[oldtimer]

Don't get caught up in the Traffic Warden syndrome ie you have the qualifications the Schemie badge on your polo shirt an MFT and a pen and a notepad so now you can start issuing tickets (C1 & C2) cos life is not fair.

So be careful because you could be misleading the customer and if they get a second opinion they could take legal proceedings against you for deception if you get work out of the EICR that was not required.

 

[SirKit Breaker]

Well said Oldtimer.

 

[Octopus]

If an ECIR given to a customer comes up as unsatisfactory. Are they legally obliged to make the necessary upgrades?

Why do you ask?

 

[ian.settle1]

Why do you ask?

Probably wants to be like British Gas and make the poor customer panic thinking they have to have it done.

 

[nickblake]

Yes Ian saw one just the other day , installation has no cpc on the lighting circuit , spark had labelled the board advising no cpc etc etc BG came in danger notification and little triangular stickers with do not use possible dangerous condition ,makes my blood boil , sorry ranting again , what the problem is with EICR is peoples mis understanding of the Coding since the changes its easier it tells you C1 dangerous condition C2 potentially dangerous C3 requires improvement , the amount of C1's I have seen for no RCD is silly no no no, No RCD's is a C3 requires improvement , how can not having an RCD be potentially dangerous , potentially dangerous is for example a shower wired in 1.5mm TWE .the other thing is the lack of policing ,the good honest person having an EICR will get the improvements done ,those that don't are playing Russian roulette , because if some one dies then its prosecution , handy guide is available from ESC landlords guide to electricity

 

[tom79bmth]

I was always told you couldn't leave a c1 or is that a NICEIC thing ?

 

[oldtimer]

I was always told you couldn't leave a c1 or is that a NICEIC thing ?

Well you can if the customer does not want it fixed for me common sense kick in so you can try and make it safer

 

[kingeri]

I was always told you couldn't leave a c1 or is that a NICEIC thing ?

So what would the NIC have you do, hold a gun to their heads and force them to have the work done?

 

[Octopus]

I was always told you couldn't leave a c1 or is that a NICEIC thing ?

Hum... a very interesting question..... where morally you should try and fix it.... as for your shoudn't leave it, what des the ESC leaflet say as I can't remember (and I've not had many C1's to deal with)

 

[SensesFailYou]

If it was a C1 I would just advise the customer strongly recommending it be done, and say it was a live cable sticking out of a wall for all to touch I'd just do it.

One thing that gets me is: I went to an installation in a commercial property that had been inspected by BG and I was going to rectify the bits and bobs detailed within reason as some were just silly! And they detailed things such as, a missing blank in the consumer unit a missing blank on one or 2 old entry holes in the consumer unit etc... Why wouldn't you just do it? It takes more time writing it on the report and costs more in ink than it does just popping one in! I may be too nice but me personally I'd just do it! For one its safer for the client, 2; the client may think yer that was good of him etc.

rant over!

 

[oldtimer]

I found no earth at a light switch took it off and found it broken off at the earth terminal reconnected it so no C1 just fixed as I did the job