EICR ... Customer obliged legally?

[SirKit Breaker]

I was always told you couldn't leave a c1 or is that a NICEIC thing ?

We are going back to Electricians wanting to repair the world for free.

You are there to Inspect and test, and produce an Electrical Installation Condition Report. On the report there is a field to complete regarding findings, fill it in, advise your Client of imminent dangers etc, and advise them to have it fixed, if they dont/can't/won't, then get in your van and sail off into the sunset, and sleep soundly, you have done everything that you need to do.

If the NIC wont let you leave a C1, then send them the bill for fixing it if the client wont pay, i know what they will tell you to do.

When you put your van in for the MOT or service, does the garage fix your dangerous brakes free of charge? No i didn't think so.

Cheers...........Howard

 

[oldtimer]

Careful Howard I used a car analogy in the EICR for a hotel post and got jumped on admittedly from the low posters. lol

 

[nickblake]

If you have a C1 you are not obliged to correct it as you are doing an EICR , you then issue a danger notification , and make it as safe as you can ie live wire sticking out if a wall you tape them up , as long as you have advised them issued a DN its up to them ,

 

[Edd]

In our game Most C1's are easy fixable and wont break the bank, a hole in CU, broken accessory etc, live cable somewhere. Sorry all you people that say leave it have no morals..
If theres kids in the house spend 10 minuits of your time and make it safe, be a kind and careing electrician its not all about making money. The Fuk it wright a letter to the cliant explaining the dangers of the broken socket next to the play mat atitude really sucks.. I cant really think of many C1's that will take more than a few minuits to fix.... C2 yes but C1 hmmm im trying...

Edit, im sure it would take longer to wright up a danger notification regarding a live cable sticking out the wall, than sort it out. Im sure you priced a little bit of lee way into that test..

Edit 2, a broken twin socket, costs less than £2 materials and takes about 2 minuits to change.... typing up letter well at my wrighting speed a lot longer!!!!

Edit 3, Sry Had a beer, its saturday.. Im allowed.. will read this tomorrow thinking,, crap what did i say

 

[oldtimer]

common sense should kick in but as said the traffic warden mentality can kick in ie sorry mate its not me but the job says we are towing your car away. Said this before but it is getting more common with guys doing I&T thinking they have the power of God over people thing is what they are not getting is that it can backfire on them ie sorry have to fail you as you have no RCD protection

 

[telectrix]

We are going back to Electricians wanting to repair the world for free.

You are there to Inspect and test, and produce an Electrical Installation Condition Report. On the report there is a field to complete regarding findings, fill it in, advise your Client of imminent dangers etc, and advise them to have it fixed, if they dont/can't/won't, then get in your van and sail off into the sunset, and sleep soundly, you have done everything that you need to do.

If the NIC wont let you leave a C1, then send them the bill for fixing it if the client wont pay, i know what they will tell you to do.

When you put your van in for the MOT or service, does the garage fix your dangerous brakes free of charge? No i didn't think so.

Cheers...........Howard

agree with what you say, howard, but as the car analogy goes, my MOT place would replace a faulty bulb (lamp for the pedantic sods) FOC and not fail it. more serious faults, however, you're right.

 

[SirKit Breaker]

Read posts above as well, yes minor easy fix C1, a bit of tape here a bit of mastic there, this is called common sense. If he cant think of many C1's that cant be fixed in a minute or so...well, i can think of plenty that can be fixed without further investigation, but i can also think of a lot more that will.

Anyway i am not here to Argue, just stating a fact and offering my opinions rightly or wrongly.

Cheers...............Howard

 

[Jay Sparks]

Hum... a very interesting question..... where morally you should try and fix it.... as for your shoudn't leave it, what des the ESC leaflet say as I can't remember (and I've not had many C1's to deal with)

Its a strange one this because I was always told to stop the EICR if I came across a C1. I was told to inform the customer of the immediate danger and if they refuse to let you sort it there and then, just walk away! Now Im not saying this is the right way to do it and I cant remember who told me (college or mentor) but if your a few hours into the EICR, would you really gonna walk away, without pay, if the customer says no?? I suppose you have to do what you think is right with in any given situation.
Its probably one of them urban myths again, a bit like the one about Leeds utd being a football team!!!lol

p.s, This isnt directed at you Murdoch, just following on from your post.

 

[Guest55]

it makes me smile how some sparks like to take on the role of guardians and protectors of the free world , upholding moral principles like a comic book superhero , cape rustling in the wind as they dash to their next pir as though millions of lives are at stake......

well this isnt the fookin united nations , so if joe bloggs values the electrical safety of his property then he can pay for the privilage of having his C1's & 2's fixed like any other business or service rather than relying on the guilt trip of the inspector to patch up their crappy installation as he goes along.

some of you need a reality check to be quite honest.

 

[oldtimer]

Biff I like your style and would add we aint the electrical police that reads the customers his or her rights before we do an EICR

A reality check indeed

 

[sparkdog]

Had a C2 the other day that had to be left as it was.Low insulation reading,below 2Meg on just one lighting circuit but not tripping the RCD.Its done in Pyro buried in the walls going up to the floor above but couldn't be fixed without major upheaval.

 

[ExArmy]

if it can be fixed in 5 minutes i'd do it. if not, disconnect the circuit and tell the customer.
if something needs sorted and it's minor, i just do it and put it on the bill, none of my customers have ever complained when you tell them you've fixed a problem and charged them a fiver for it.
and almost every EICR i do needs something done to it, and they always seem to pay me for coming back and fixing it cos what good is an unsatisfactory cert!?

 

[Guest55]

if it can be fixed in 5 minutes i'd do it.

fair enough , a reasonable approach.

if not, disconnect the circuit and tell the customer.

whoa , steady on , where did you get the authority to do that ? thought about the consequences and distruption that may cause ? no heating , lighting ,cooking or washing facilities for families with young children are just a few.

if something needs sorted and it's minor, i just do it and put it on the bill, none of my customers have ever complained when you tell them you've fixed a problem and charged them a fiver for it.

nothing wrong with that if the customer is happy.

what good is an unsatisfactory cert!?

youre completely missing the point of an inspection , which is to assess the suitability of continued service. its not some college exam where anything but a pass is a waste of time , even a failed inspection has served its purpose in making its user aware of any defects.

hmm , seems to me many carrying out pir's are blissfully unaware of the actual underlying concepts of inspection & testing.

 

[MDJ]

if not, disconnect the circuit and tell the customer.?

that would be asking for trouble, I would sue you if you did that in my house lol, come on now think about it fella

 

[tom79bmth]

I knew I had read it somewhere, comes under health and safety act page 6 of the link, well you don't have to fix it but make safe so either isolation or repair. Thanks murdoch you reminded me


http://www.esc.org.uk/fileadmin/use...y/best_practice/BestPracticeGuide4-Locked.pdf