EICR done in 2 stages?

[surfmk]

Yes it does seem nonsensical.

I think the whole drive for regulating who should carry out electrical work, via Part P, was to stop untrained & unqualified people carrying out electrical work, in domestic properties. You don't see or hear many 'YouTube' trained companies working in the commercial or industrial market place.

Our OP's thread has proved aspects of Part P have not worked, no offence to OP.

Its the drive some people have to save money, is where we are. I hear same people say they can't trust traders to do their work, and are only confident in themselves carrying out the work. Poor state of affairs, where we can't legislate about poor trades people and those who what to save money, perhaps to the detriment of others.

Hi Midwest,
I partly agree with this and no offence taken.
My thread wasn't really about this but it's gone there on its own.

I think the LA issue is historical: they were originally supposed to provide qualified inspectors which we (non-professional electrical enthusiasts) could employ to certify our work. About 10 years ago Brighton and Hove said they couldn't afford the inspectors and ceased the service. The LA recommended I employ an independent electrician to certify my work but in my experience no electrician will do this even for fully documented and accessible work...

So my inability to have my work assessed and passed has effectively prevented me from working legally on my own home which was not the intention of the law. So in some ways I see the LA's stance on my current project (2.5 years 'Grand Design') a more acceptable approach but it's only available to me under the umbrella of a very large Building Control application.

So if there are any electricians out there that fancy a trip down to Hove (Brighton) to certify my work which is currently all accessible then get in touch... I need an EICR for my BC too. I'd greatly enjoy the opportunity to discuss the whole installation.

 

[buzzlightyear]

So if there are any electricians out there that fancy a trip down to Hove (Brighton) to certify my work which is currently all accessible then get in touch... I need an EICR for my BC too. I'd greatly enjoy the opportunity to discuss the whole installation.

When some one does A eicr and the local
LBC pass it, does not mean it will be part p with paper work registration number.

 

[surfmk]

When some one does A eicr and the local
LBC pass it, does not mean it will be part p with paper work registration number.

Correct but if requested I would simply direct them to the signed off BC certificate where there will be details of EICR and any other inspections / tests (for example I will include the paperwork for the CU installed by electrician).

 

[Midwest]

Hi Midwest,
I partly agree with this and no offence taken.
My thread wasn't really about this but it's gone there on its own.

I think the LA issue is historical: they were originally supposed to provide qualified inspectors which we (non-professional electrical enthusiasts) could employ to certify our work. About 10 years ago Brighton and Hove said they couldn't afford the inspectors and ceased the service. The LA recommended I employ an independent electrician to certify my work but in my experience no electrician will do this even for fully documented and accessible work...

So my inability to have my work assessed and passed has effectively prevented me from working legally on my own home which was not the intention of the law. So in some ways I see the LA's stance on my current project (2.5 years 'Grand Design') a more acceptable approach but it's only available to me under the umbrella of a very large Building Control application.

So if there are any electricians out there that fancy a trip down to Hove (Brighton) to certify my work which is currently all accessible then get in touch... I need an EICR for my BC too. I'd greatly enjoy the opportunity to discuss the whole installation.

Part P was brought into being like other Building Regulations, 'was to provide practical guidance for some of the more common building situations, .........place a legal requirement for safety upon electrical installation work in dwellings'.

Part P defines how notification can be carried out, by self certification or third party certification. It doesn't mention using an EICR. However, it seems your LBC have deemed how your electrical work will be certified. Re you last paragraph, please note only Napit members can carry out a third party certification.

On a side note, and you are where you with your project, are you happy that you have the right design for your electrical installation?

 

[surfmk]

Correct but if requested I would simply direct them to the signed off BC certificate where there will be details of EICR and any other inspections / tests (for example I will include the paperwork for the CU installed by electrician).

Part P was brought into being like other Building Regulations, 'was to provide practical guidance for some of the more common building situations, .........place a legal requirement for safety upon electrical installation work in dwellings'.

Part P defines how notification can be carried out, by self certification or third party certification. It doesn't mention using an EICR. However, it seems your LBC have deemed how your electrical work will be certified. Re you last paragraph, please note only Napit members can carry out a third party certification.

On a side note, and you are where you with your project, are you happy that you have the right design for your electrical installation?

Hi Midwest,

Yes I'm happy with the design. I talked it through (2 years ago now) with the electrician that installed the new CU I showed him my load calculations; cable sizes; diversity for oven/hob and derating tables. At that time only existing circuits could be reconnected to the CU. All cable routing has been checked by BC inspector who is satisfied I have used correct cable protection / joist drilling and safe zones (these areas have not been connected up as yet).

I'm 6 months away from completion but very keen to have the current work tested (my only grey area is supplementary bonding which I'm almost certain I don't need). Problem is that it would be a disaster if I did need it at the end of the the project. As mentioned above, I have water/gas on 10mm bonding and the board is all RCBO. I'm getting 0.1 ohms on the radiators / copper piping (used throughout), so looks like I'm fine. But... I know there are some nuisances regarding unnecessary exporting of live through extraneous metal parts... which is where I'd like an experienced overview.

I'd like to be clear that what I've learned is no substitute for third party certification of my work and I appreciate the advice about Napit membership. I have just had a look at the Napit website and under "search" there is a category "Domestic electrical work Certification (TPC)". Maybe these are the electricians I should contact for EICR and explain I would like an overview of the work carried out in addition to the EICR? Would you recommend this course of action? Thanks for your time.

 

[Midwest]

I had a conundrum when I changed my garage to a habitable space. I contacted 3 sparks for third party certification, and I got a responce from one, which never materialised in anything. Perhaps that sort of work is just too much hassle for little reward.

Not sure why you worried about your ch pipes. You should perhaps search for threads on here about supplementary bonding, extraneous conductive parts, bonding etc, or ask your original electrician. I believe step by step guides are not allowed on this site.

 

[surfmk]

I had a conundrum when I changed my garage to a habitable space. I contacted 3 sparks for third party certification, and I got a responce from one, which never materialised in anything. Perhaps that sort of work is just too much hassle for little reward.

Not sure why you worried about your ch pipes. You should perhaps search for threads on here about supplementary bonding, extraneous conductive parts, bonding etc, or ask your original electrician. I believe step by step guides are not allowed on this site.

Yes I agree, hard to find anyone for third party certification and expect the LA know this from experience... so take a practical approach requesting an EICR which are actually possible to organise. Don't forget the BC inspectors are also checking the installation so it's not that unreasonable in my view.

I would just say that if I were an electrician and I were asked to check an installation where all the work is accessible, documented and completed to a high standard, I'd do it all day long. Maybe they feel the negatives of finding poorly completed work might result in unhappy clients... but you could assess this on a quick visit to begin with.

So I have contacted 3 electrical certifiers today (Sunday) and I'll post my progress for anyone else that is interested. No replies as yet.