EICR's and Minor Work's Cert's

[driverman]

For you guys who carry out EICR's on a regular basis. After carrying out an EICR you issue an unsatisfactory certificate to your customer. At a later date the customer request that you carry out the remedial work in order to correct defaults on the installation. Question is, when codes C1 (if any) and codes C2 are carried out, do you issue a Minor works certificate for each item corrected, example being changing several RCD's and or RCBO's? At the end of the exercise everything is now OK, do you re-issue an EICR to say satisfactory? Leave the customer with just Minor works certs for work carried out?
If customer asks another electrician to carry out said minor works, he would only be able to leave minor work certs for work that he did unless of course he carried out yet another EICR which of course wouldn't be not cost effective for the customer if a large site.

 

[Plonker 3]

If you are carrying out remedial work from a EICR, then issue the relevant cert either EIC or MWC, also enclose a letter saying you have carried out the remedial work from EICR cert number --- and they are now satisfactory as long as no other work has been carried on said circuits since the EICR has been carried out.

 

[SJD]

Any work that warrants a certificate - EIC or MEIWC - I issue one (or more) accordingly.

There is no need to re-issue the EICR with the C1/C2 items (and possibly C3 items) removed, but sometimes the customer likes to have this. If I have done the remedial work, I usually offer to update the EICR and reissue it for free; if someone else has done the remedial work, then I need to check it, so there is modest charge to update and reissue it.

 

[driverman]

Any work that warrants a certificate - EIC or MEIWC - I issue one (or more) accordingly.

There is no need to re-issue the EICR with the C1/C2 items (and possibly C3 items) removed, but sometimes the customer likes to have this. If I have done the remedial work, I usually offer to update the EICR and reissue it for free; if someone else has done the remedial work, then I need to check it, so there is modest charge to update and reissue it.

out of interest......if you issue an unsatisfactory EICR, then carry out all the remedial work, would you then remove codes 1,2 and possibly 3 of the existing EICR cert and reissue or a complete new one?

 

[Octopus]

out of interest......if you issue an unsatisfactory EICR, then carry out all the remedial work, would you then remove codes 1,2 and possibly 3 of the existing EICR cert and reissue or a complete new one?

I've on occassions issued a "draft" version of the EICR highlighting the issues, then got their authorisation for remedial works and then updated and issued the EICR formally.

May not be 100% the correct way but sometimes it makes sense and we have enough paperwork to deal with without creating even more!

EDIT: I only do this if I know I will be asked to do remedial work

 

[SJD]

out of interest......if you issue an unsatisfactory EICR, then carry out all the remedial work, would you then remove codes 1,2 and possibly 3 of the existing EICR cert and reissue or a complete new one?

My EICRs are done in Excel, so if I am reissuing it I just delete those observations that are now corrected, and also change the check sheets accordingly, then issue it (PDF and/or print) with a new serial number to avoid confusion. All the C1 and C2 codes would be gone, the C3 codes depend on what they are, e.g. a C3 for lack of RCD protection due to installation to older regs typically does not get corrected.

 

[rattlehead85]

Issueing an updated EICR after completing remedials to eliminate c1 & c2 departures is incorrect. So if you are carrying out said remedials you are technically not certifying the work you are completing and also not informing building control where may be required. By reissuing an EICR you are saying that the defects are now not present but you are not taking responsibility for what you have corrected.
Scammer schemes certainly don't look kindly on this practice.

 

[Plonker 3]

Issueing an updated EICR after completing remedials to eliminate c1 & c2 departures is incorrect. So if you are carrying out said remedials you are technically not certifying the work you are completing and also not informing building control where may be required. By reissuing an EICR you are saying that the defects are now not present but you are not taking responsibility for what you have corrected.
Scammer schemes certainly don't look kindly on this practice.

Since when did you need to registered with a scam to carry out a EICR?

 

[Octopus]

Issueing an updated EICR after completing remedials to eliminate c1 & c2 departures is incorrect. So if you are carrying out said remedials you are technically not certifying the work you are completing and also not informing building control where may be required. By reissuing an EICR you are saying that the defects are now not present but you are not taking responsibility for what you have corrected.
Scammer schemes certainly don't look kindly on this practice.

And whats it got to do with them??

I wouldn't do this for anything notifiable.

 

[rattlehead85]

Any works completed is covered by a MEWC or a EIC along with building control notification where applicable. An EICR is used to report on an existing installation as found when a test is completed to determine its condition.

 

[Plonker 3]

You are aware not all works are notifiable to LABC aren't you?

 

[rattlehead85]

Since when did you need to registered with a scam to carry out a EICR?

Where in the post i just put does it say 'you have to register with a scammer scheme to do an EICR'!! i just highlighted the fact that they don't agree with the use of an EICR for certifying work.

 

[rattlehead85]

You are aware not all works are notifiable to LABC aren't you?

Again read the post....'Notify LABC where applicable'!! I.E fuseboard change, works in a room containing a bath or shower, provision of new circuit.

 

[Plonker 3]

Who said issuing a EICR to certify work?

you will find what was mentioned was reissue a EICR once the remedial works were carried out.

 

[rattlehead85]

Well isn't it the same thing if the works has been done by the person who carried out the EICR in the first place?