Elecsa napit or NIC

[nickblake]

yes i know its been asked before , im currently with elecsa ,but thinking of changing to napit , reason i want to be covered full scope , i belive ECA take a % of your turn over so thats a no no , NIC ,very expensive ,and expensive to notify , elecsa cover Part P but extra for periodics and dont cover you for commercial and industrial just wondering what your thoughts were and would moving to napit be a good or bad move

 

[cagedanimal2010]

iv gone with them seem very helpful, got my assessment on tuesday will let ya know!

 

[Guest123]

The problem is recognition Nick......It's no use us ignoring it and thinking that the 'other' schemes will sort the issue out as they wont. NIC monopolise the industry and I dont think that will change for a long time which is detrimental to eveyone concerned. At the end of the day you tell someone you're with Napit they say who....what??? you say you're with NIC and more often than not it's "oh good I've heard of them".

Also nearly all large agencies...councils, construction firms, architects etc etc continue to specify NIC contractors, which I believe is wrong but what can we do.....answer is nothing.

I had a big chinwag with Napit at the Elex show last month and voiced all the above concerns to their man, all he could come up with was 'we have things in the pipeline'

Whatever it is I dont think will be enough or come soon enough. My advice, much as it pains me to say it is NIC Nick.

 

[nickblake]

Thanks lenny he say's whilst cringing, ouch ah, thought that might be the case , i agree with you it is wrong , i lost a contract at the castles round here because i wasnt NIC ,the cadw guy said as i was with elecsa my certificates may not be valid , my thoughts were ******** you then . bad payer anyway lol

 

[IQ Electrical]

It's quite rightly, the clients prerogative to decide who and what do his/her work.

The problem is, this decision more often than not is made through total ignorance of the existence of other scheme providers.

Maybe things will slowly change but right now, Lenny nailed it.

 

[Sparky Ninja]

I'm with the NICEIC, have been for years. I have grown to despise them over the past couple of years but due to the exact reasons Lenny has pointed out, I am still with them.

 

[cagedanimal2010]

had a customer the other day asking me about who i was with as they said they wanted nic, explained im having my napit assessment soon, "who are they??" after 10 or so minutes explaining, they were more than happy to work with me providing i pass.

 

[dixon9]

i belive ECA take a % of your turn over so thats a no no ,

I understood that the ECA also branched their Part P scheme through to ELECSA or that ELECSA were under their wing?

What´s all this about taking a % of your turnover?

 

[EasyMCSLtd]

Is it MCS Accreditation you are looking to go for?

 

[IQ Electrical]

I understood that the ECA also branched their Part P scheme through to ELECSA or that ELECSA were under their wing?

What´s all this about taking a % of your turnover?

You're quite correct, the domestic installer side of the ECA is ELECSA.

The ECA had (and still does) a minimum turnover requirement but no percentage turnover fees.

 

[alanl]

I think you are getting confused about ELECSA charging extra for PIR's. AIUI, the charge for a PIR 'membership' is for PIR's only, no self-certifictaion etc.
I'm sure you are able to do PIR's with a full scope ELECSA membership, but the people who only have PIR Membership can ONLY do PIR's.

You do not need any formal qualifications to do PIR's, so the entry requirements will be lower than a full scope scheme, though I'd think that ELECSA would be strict, in that they would ensure the person doing PIR's on their scheme are competent.

Alan.
Alan.

 

[IQ Electrical]

I think you are getting confused about ELECSA charging extra for PIR's. AIUI, the charge for a PIR 'membership' is for PIR's only, no self-certifictaion etc.
I'm sure you are able to do PIR's with a full scope ELECSA membership, but the people who only have PIR Membership can ONLY do PIR's.

You do not need any formal qualifications to do PIR's, so the entry requirements will be lower than a full scope scheme, though I'd think that ELECSA would be strict, in that they would ensure the person doing PIR's on their scheme are competent.

Alan.
Alan.

I know what you're saying Alan but to prove competence "without any formal qualifications" would be a trick of David Blaine proportions!

 

[alanl]

Yes, I agree, but the example I was given was an 'older' chap, been in the business all his life, clearly knows what he is doing, that is the type of person who, following an assesment, would be certified by one of the governing bodies as suitable to do PIRs.

Of course, someone with little knowledge or experience would have no chance of getting it, as the minimum for entry would, I presume, be C&G 2382, and possible 2392 for domestic only work.

During my assessment, i was talking about various courses at the local College - mainly a 1 day C+G course on the Building Regs, the assessor actually dissuaded me from doing it, as he said there is more to doing the job than just a C+G certificate, and the amount I would learn from a 1 day course would be minmal.
Alan.

 

[IQ Electrical]

It's just a subject that's close to my heart and I see such dross masquerading as Periodic Inspection Reports...

 

[DoBBY]

yes i know its been asked before , im currently with elecsa ,but thinking of changing to napit , reason i want to be covered full scope , i belive ECA take a % of your turn over so thats a no no , NIC ,very expensive ,and expensive to notify , elecsa cover Part P but extra for periodics and dont cover you for commercial and industrial just wondering what your thoughts were and would moving to napit be a good or bad move

Good move....as I've said before Napit is creeping up on NICEIC.