Electric heaters in pub garden

[robsparx]

Has anyone installed electric heat lights before, in a pub garden or similar? Going to have a look and do a quote tomorrow for a guy that wants some for his pub.

I have been there before, and know that there is one solid wall that would be fine to mount a couple of heaters on, but the rest of the outdoor structure is a big wooden trellis.

Are there any heaters that would be suitable to mount on this? I'm sure I've seen heaters mounted on wooden beams on other pubs before, but it doesn't seem right to me

 

[Des 56]

Is it the quartz halogen lights, not actual wall heaters or convectors ?

If so, I believe they are not designed to convert the light to heat until the rays hit an object,so the fitting should remain fairly cool to mount on that type of surface,they are generally on support brackets which keeps them away from flammable surfaces

This information off a supplier may be usefull

3kW Quartz Halogen HeaterOur latest generation of quartz halogen heaters are fitted with gold filtered halogen lamps.
These lamps are the most efficient currently available producing over 90% of their output
in radiant form at the short wave end of the electromagnetic spectrum.
Consequently this energy is transmitted through air with minimal loss,
only being absorbed by people or products that require heating.
This is the same way that the sun heats the earth.

This property makes halogen heaters an efficient method of heating large and/or draughty or irregularly used area

 

[telectrix]

fitted a 1.2 kw halogen in pub leper colony ( smokers area ) . the mounting bracket stands the unit 6" off the wall, and all the heat comes out the front. only limitation was manufacturers instructions specify 18" clear space above heater to roof. shouldn't have a problem.

 

[Marvo]

I got to ask a question and I know it's off topic so I apologise in advance. I've seen a couple of similar topics here about heaters in pub gardens, are people seriously sitting outside at this time of year? Surely if it's minus flipping five outside, a few 2 Kw heaters aren't going to make the blindest bit of difference to a garden area???? No offense intended Robsparx, I'm sure it's me missing the point of your question.

 

[telectrix]

marvo, us nicotine addicts would go out for a smoke in -20deg. since the blair gestapo banned us from having a smoke with our pint.

 

[Des 56]

In the club I use,the non smokers are very very often found outside with us numb fingered fraternity,because there are so many outside its better socialising there

Blair and his fellow ex smokers made the decision to have a clean sweep of all public places only on the day of the vote ( well thought out meticulous planning then )

Until then, the policy was to have in mind, the protection of non smokers to be free to use these smoking places where before there was no choice

He included private workingmens clubs,that was vindictive only and not right(that was the ex smoker coming out in him,there is nobody more venomous against smoking than an ex)

People have to use shops libraries council offices etc and even pubs, where they may have no choice and the smoking ban could be well justified for that reason

However, in a private club,no non smoker is forced with his arm behind his back into entering or using those premises and the law is wrong in this respect

The ban remains even in these places where non smokers are not forced to attend and where the overwhelming amount of users,non smokers included, see the ban as way beyond what should have been,the clubs and pubs are paying the price for this ill thought out over the top legistlation to the point that in a few years the social culture of the country will be decimated
Its happening now but the fools still deny the effects of the complete ban

In its present form it is wrong and it should be amended

 

[Marvo]

Ahh, thanks for answer, I couldn't for the life of me figure what would possess someone to install heaters in a garden but that makes a lot more sense now, I wasn't sure if it was a wind-up or standing joke. I'm still not convinced a few kilowatts of radiated heat is going to make a substantial difference in a minus five celcius ambient to how bad you freeze unless you enclose the area as well.

Wouldn't it be better to install gas heaters? They could give a much higher heat output but I'm not sure about running costs.

 

[Sparky Ninja]

I have installed the Quartz Heaters that Des 56 has mentioned many a time and they are always liked by clients. The whole mezzanine of Ascot racecourse's main grandstand used these before the rebuild and they were very affective.

 

[Des 56]

Ahh, thanks for answer, I couldn't for the life of me figure what would possess someone to install heaters in a garden but that makes a lot more sense now, I wasn't sure if it was a wind-up or standing joke. I'm still not convinced a few kilowatts of radiated heat is going to make a substantial difference in a minus five celcius ambient to how bad you freeze unless you enclose the area as well.

Wouldn't it be better to install gas heaters? They could give a much higher heat output but I'm not sure about running costs.

This where the vindictiveness comes in
Smoking shelters are for smokers
Smoking shelters must have at least three sides open to the elements and be x amount of feet from the venue,people could lose their licences if these are not met
The council have to check these measurements for compliance

Where do you see the lack of vindictiveness in that
Only smokers would use these places,so who are being protected by this part of the ban


Ex smoker Blair be buggered,he the man who has put our brave soldiers lives up as a lottery for his own gain by suckering up to the American warmonger generals who played him like a fiddle

 

[Marvo]

The ban remains even in these places where non smokers are not forced to attend and where the overwhelming amount of users,non smokers included, see the ban as way beyond what should have been,the clubs and pubs are paying the price for this ill thought out over the top legistlation to the point that in a few years the social culture of the country will be decimated
Its happening now but the fools still deny the effects of the complete ban

In its present form it is wrong and it should be amended

I have a story, again off-topic but it should cheer you up.

They also introduced new smoking laws in SA a couple of years ago. The laws stated that restaurants and bars/pubs could make up to 30% of their area smoking and must partition off a smokers section if it was internal and install forced ventilation. Because of the expense involved, most establishments decided to just make their outdoor areas as the smoking areas so the ventilation and partitioning wouldn't be necessary.

Cape Town being a Mediteranian kinda climate, the best tables in most establishments are on the balcony or on the decks and terraces. The upshot was that the non-smokers couldn't book a decent seat or table without it being slap bang in the middle of a smoking area. Ultimately their beloved legislation bit them in the ---

 

[millwall ken]

In the club I use,the non smokers are very very often found outside with us numb fingered fraternity,because there are so many outside its better socialising there

Blair and his fellow ex smokers made the decision to have a clean sweep of all public places only on the day of the vote ( well thought out meticulous planning then )

Until then, the policy was to have in mind, the protection of non smokers to be free to use these smoking places where before there was no choice

He included private workingmens clubs,that was vindictive only and not right(that was the ex smoker coming out in him,there is nobody more venomous against smoking than an ex)

People have to use shops libraries council offices etc and even pubs, where they may have no choice and the smoking ban could be well justified for that reason

However, in a private club,no non smoker is forced with his arm behind his back into entering or using those premises and the law is wrong in this respect

The ban remains even in these places where non smokers are not forced to attend and where the overwhelming amount of users,non smokers included, see the ban as way beyond what should have been,the clubs and pubs are paying the price for this ill thought out over the top legistlation to the point that in a few years the social culture of the country will be decimated
Its happening now but the fools still deny the effects of the complete ban

In its present form it is wrong and it should be amended

Two places you can smoke indoors... Prison and the HOUSES OF PARLIMENT...

 

[Paul.M]

Ever since the ban pubs and working men clubs have been getting closed down in big numbers or their trade has reduced dramatically. Since the ban a lot of pubs have turned into bar restaurants to keep afloat. We've all seen a good pub close or gone down hill due to this and not many of us stood up for our wrights. Go into a pub now and you have to stand at the bar because all the tables are taken up or still have empty plates and food all over them. In my local they have taken out the pool table, dart board and the juke box to make more money on food. That didn't work out the way they thought and put the beer price up? A year after it came into effect I was in the city centre to watch a football match on the big screen on a Saturday afternoon. I fancied a cig and went outside. A family of four walked past and looked at me as if I were directly giving them all cancer and the mother of the two kids made a sarcastic remark of "keep that dirty thing away from us". I replied "i can no longer smoke in the pub where I belong so people like you can take your family to eat". Let the family's have restaurant pubs and let the beer swigging cig smokers have some of the real pubs back, a place where we don't need watch kids run around, where we don't have to watch what we say and keep our jokes to a whisper...... oh btw the lights are good enough for me at -15 and snowing, good work lads keep it up.... rant over.

 

[underdog]

I got talking to a bloke in the wholesallers who said all outdoor heating will be banned, it's already happened in france or Spain I think! Not sure How true he is!

 

[millwall ken]

I got talking to a bloke in the wholesallers who said all outdoor heating will be banned, it's already happened in france or Spain I think! Not sure How true he is!

Did he say why, by any chance? Or let me guess Global Warming?

 

[mogga]

its probably down to global warming ect ect as for 3 open sides des its only 2 open sidezs If it has 3 closed sides you cant smoke in it Also VANS whether private oneman bands cant be smoked in as the letter of the law states "Commercial vehicles" and doesnt specify different uses just type of vehicle Also if driver and 2 passangers in van are smoking All 3 can get £50 fine Driver also gets £200 per passanger for Alowing them to smoke nice £550 for council