Electrical courses ?

MUNGO50 · Apr 4, 2013

Hello everyone

My company service and maintain oil fired boilers and have for some time 'subbed' out any electrical works.
We are now thinking of putting some of our engineers through a course so that they can wire in new time clocks and zone valves etc. It would only be domestic work and they have a basic knowledge of electrics but i need some help as to which course might be best ? which qualifications they need to get ? there seems to be a lot of governing bodies/scheme operators so its very confusing what we need.

Sorry for the lack of knowledge, but after hours trawling through many websites i am still no nearer to any answers.

Thanks

KAS1 · Apr 4, 2013

You could employ an "electrician" then you would know he would have the correct qualifications to do your electrical works.

wade88 · Apr 4, 2013

Didn't you read his post. That's what they use to do, now they no longer want to use subbed out guys...hence the post.

They will need 17th Edition, 2392 would be useful, and membership to a scheme provider if any notifiable jobs are planned to be completed.

KAS1 · Apr 4, 2013

DIDN'T you read my post I said employ, by that I meant "on the books" not sub it out as he said. So YES I did read his post................EMPLOY the right man for the job IMO not half train up a "oil fired boiler chap" who "have a basic knowledge of electrics" that's the trouble with this trade too many half trained so called sparks IMO so that's right encourage more scam memberships lol There is a difference between employ and sub it out lol

wade88 · Apr 4, 2013

Yea i realise that mate, i was reading between the lines, why would his company want to spend another £30k a year on a full time position when they can send their current engineers who are familiar with the job tasks, that need some basic training to take it the extra way without subbing someone out at further expense. Doesn't sound to me like they are planning on complex electrics or intend to in the future, just over come an aspect of their daily job routines and save the company some money.

If i ran a business, i wouldn't want my guys going out doing 4/5 of a job, then returning and having to contract in a guy to finish it off, id rather have a fully skilled set of lads who go to the job and finish it on the spot. Not employ "specialist" positions to carry out small basic job tasks. I can't see any spark taking on full time employment just to wire in timers all day.

I didn't mean my post to sound rude at all fella, the problems with typing what your speaking in your head

rmc86uk · Apr 4, 2013

wade88 said:
Yea i realise that mate, i was reading between the lines, why would his company want to spend another £30k a year on a full time position when they can send their current engineers who are familiar with the job tasks, that need some basic training to take it the extra way without subbing someone out at further expense. Doesn't sound to me like they are planning on complex electrics or intend to in the future, just over come an aspect of their daily job routines and save the company some money.

If i ran a business, i wouldn't want my guys going out doing 4/5 of a job, then returning and having to contract in a guy to finish it off, id rather have a fully skilled set of lads who go to the job and finish it on the spot. Not employ "specialist" positions to carry out small basic job tasks. I can't see any spark taking on full time employment just to wire in timers all day.

I didn't mean my post to sound rude at all fella, the problems with typing what your speaking in your head

Wade88, I disagree with you here mate because with having all round skilled men is de skilling the specialist trades. I think that each trade should stick to their own. I can see why the OP wants to do this from a business point of view but doing the 17th and 2392 isn't going teach his guys a lot.

KAS1 · Apr 4, 2013

I was reading between the lines also and it sounds to me as though he needs an "electrician" not a "oil fired boiler chap" with the 17th edition and 2392 (which may be useful) I suppose you think plumbers should also do the same quick fix and do all the electrical, that would save money too for all the H&V companies out there, come on get a grip........................Road workers could also cable/connect all the street lighting, you see it goes on and on

KAS1 · Apr 4, 2013

I've worked on CHP plants amongst many other types of installations and I don't do the steelwork, scaffolding, groundwork etc lol

wade88 · Apr 4, 2013

Ok, I understand both your points entirely and i don't disagree with it in principle, but from a business perspective, it's financially not a viable long term solution AND whether we like it or not, it will always be the case that money comes before anything. His boss won't give two sh?!ts about de-skilling the industry, he wants to know where a buck can be saved and how a job can be completed more efficiently.

I see now however, that although we all understand that - giving advice on such threads is just shooting ourselves in the foot in the long term, hence the usual reply, get a spark in.

So, i retract my earlier suggestions, 17th and 2392 are an option, but for a safer, more reliable finish, get a spark on board and have it done properly.

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