Electrical engineering

[Engineer54]

There is (as far as i can see anyway) a problem in the way qualification rating levels are applied to electrical/engineering and higher education qualifications as a whole. For example, how the hell can a PAT or 17th qualification (the latter also being ''open book'') be qualified as having a level 3 rating, exactly the same level as a full C&G 2365/2330/etc or a C&G 2396 having the same level as a 2 or 3 year HNC/D course.

None of it makes any sense to me, it's like pulling and applying level ratings out of the air, they certainly don't reflect the differences in the complexity or the time, effort needed to obtain them...

 

[Bobster]

HND is a level 5 rating.

The only difference now from when I did it is a % (I think around 30%) of the qualification is open book coursework rather than 100% closed book exams.

 

[Jonspark]

I thought that the regs exam was an open book exam as it's basically an assessment of how you navigate your way around BS7671?

 

[Engineer54]

HND is a level 5 rating.

The only difference now from when I did it is a % (I think around 30%) of the qualification is open book coursework rather than 100% closed book exams.

Really meaning HNC, not the D. 30% Open book coursework on HND, what's the bloody point anymore!! lol!!

So what is a Degree rated at these days then, it was i think also rated at level 5....

EDIT... Just checked in England and Wales/NI a Bsc carries a level 6 rating. Lots of confusion between different organisations as to HNC and HND, some giving a HNC a level 5 rating while with most it's a level 4... All give a level 5 for HND.

 

[Engineer54]

I thought that the regs exam was an open book exam as it's basically an assessment of how you navigate your way around BS7671?

It's still rated as a level 3 C&G qualification, that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever!!

 

[Jonspark]

It's still rated as a level 3 C&G qualification, that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever!!

agree,but it has to be a open book exam lol!!

 

[ackbarthestar]

agree,but it has to be a open book exam lol!!

No, not necessarily. When I did my ONC Electrical Installation module, it was closed book and I had to write about 4 pages on Farmyards and petrol stations, with regulations to support what knew. But then that wasn't C&G.....

 

[Jonspark]

No, not necessarily. When I did my ONC Electrical Installation module, it was closed book and I had to write about 4 pages on Farmyards and petrol stations, with regulations to support what knew. But then that wasn't C&G.....

Different exam mate[emoji6]

 

[SheffSimon]

Really meaning HNC, not the D. 30% Open book coursework on HND, what's the bloody point anymore!! lol!!

So what is a Degree rated at these days then, it was i think also rated at level 5....

EDIT... Just checked in England and Wales/NI a Bsc carries a level 6 rating. Lots of confusion between different organisations as to HNC and HND, some giving a HNC a level 5 rating while with most it's a level 4... All give a level 5 for HND.

My apprentice at work completed his HNC Elec Eng last year, and I gave him some help on the maths. It seemed about A level standard in the particular areas covered, but without the same breadth of topics covered in A level.

It was nowhere near the level I went to on my Elec Eng degree, in 1990. Maybe things have changed, and the level of maths on a degree course has fallen??

 

[Engineer54]

My apprentice at work completed his HNC Elec Eng last year, and I gave him some help on the maths. It seemed about A level standard in the particular areas covered, but without the same breadth of topics covered in A level.

It was nowhere near the level I went to on my Elec Eng degree, in 1990. Maybe things have changed, and the level of maths on a degree course has fallen??

Your A level maths (GCE) is a far cry from what they now call A level (GCSE) maths. It seems the standard has been dropping year on year to keep pass rates high for political reasons. And Every year the Universities, (well the better ones anyway) complain of those standards falling below what they class as acceptable for the courses the students want to read....

The other thing to consider is that the overall standard of higher education including Degrees fell in 1999...

 

[Silly Sausage]

Here's a taster of degree level Maths...
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...=iN7G2Bisvw5uSv2Qpf6RaQ&bvm=bv.85970519,d.d2s


And they're only 2nd Order!
Slighter more advanced than C&G level 4, whatever those levels are supposed to represent! :smilielol5:

 

[christowilso]

I currently working my way through year three of uni having completed an HNC and HND. If your maths skills aren't great then it'll be real tough to get through but i managed it with a a lot of hard work and studying in my own time. If you want to know specifics then PM me. During the HNC maths you'll cover trigonometry, complex numbers(which you'll need to fully understand for other subjects), quadratic equations, basics of transposition and other things.

 

[aces4al]

Thanks for that christowilso, that all the kind of thing I have been doing on my level 3. To everyone else, Obviously the hnc will be harder I'm well prepared for that, all I was saying is the equations and things I was shown were what I have been doing already which are a level standard. All I wanted to know was, has anyone done the course recently and if so what was it like

 

[Engineer54]

Here's a taster of degree level Maths...
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&r...=iN7G2Bisvw5uSv2Qpf6RaQ&bvm=bv.85970519,d.d2s


And they're only 2nd Order!
Slighter more advanced than C&G level 4, whatever those levels are supposed to represent! :smilielol5:

I don't think you're ever going to convince him Archy. He'll just have to find out for himself when he starts his HNC course, that the math he is using now for C&G studies isn't going to easily get him through a theory based HNC course....

 

[aces4al]

I've never said it would as I already said I know it's harder, I just said some of it is similar to what I have already done. I looked at that post and yes I have done some and others I have not