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I'm going to look at a job tomorrow on a building that currently has no heat or cooling. I've looked through the guidelines and it appears that as long as this building doesn't feed electric to a building that does have heating/cooling then it will be exempt from an EPC is this right? I'm not sure yet if the electric to the house is seperate (its a timber yard so I don't think it is) if it is and I have to get an EPC am I right in thinking that the 20 - 30kwp our customer thinks he can get will be added to the figures for the farmhouse EPC which will not reach a D rating.
 
Thanks Ted - I did think the 30kwp would be added to the D rating then questioned myself!! Too few enquiries around at the minute, I'm feeling really out of touch.
 
EPC & Barns Help Please

Good to see you guys have quotes, it was dead in our front for a month but a couple referrals and new build installs landed.

Good luck with this one !!
 
Thanks I'm not that hopeful, we're making up the third quote and we haven't done anything this size before. To be honest we wouldn't be looking at it unless we knew the people wanting it - I can't afford to take this size risk if they decided not to pay.

Be funny if we got it ......
 
Re: EPC & Barns Help Please - Definitive Guidance

OK, we just had a run in with Good Energy for NOT notifyong us with the needs for what should go on a letter wher no EPC is required, (got it all resolved in the end with a nerw letter) here is the outcome / guidance:

The clause 3.78 is the one that catches Churches etc...

Dear xx on behalf of Mr yy,

The exemption letter you provided for aa bb cc does unfortunately not meet Ofgem’s requirements for a valid exemption letter.

Although the building is exempt the letter provided fails to describe the situation correctly or give enough detail. By looking at examples of exemption letters which Ofgem feel qualify as correct, we can see that they expect the letter provided to be specific to an individual site, and require them to be more explicit about the building as well as relating it back to points from within the legislation. I have included examples of text from letters which Ofgem qualify as valid below to help with the rewriting of the letter.

‘ I confirm that the above array installed at this location is on the of an agricultural building with no heating system and is therefore exempt from providing an EPC Report to accompany the Feed in Tariff application as per Clause 3.3 which states that:

A relevant building is defined in legislation and must be a roofed construction which has walls. And for which energy is used to condition the indoor climate. Examples of energy being used to condition the indoor climate include heating and cooling systems. If any aspect of this definition does not apply to a building to which the PV installation is attached or wired to provide electricity to then the energy efficiency requirements does not apply ‘

Panels referred to as the ….. Is mostly used for the storage although a large part of it is currently empty. The front end contains a small equine supplies outlet. This had sectioned off into basic office space, sales/display area and storage. There are, however, no fixed services for heating. Under the legislation this would described as an agricultural building with low energy use and as such would not require an EPC.

Please see photographs and references attached.’

‘ Under the EU regulations the UK was required to implement the requirements of the energy Performance if Buildings Directive (Directive 2002/91/EC)- the EPBD.

Within the criteria certain buildings were made exempt form requirements and in particular the barn mentioned above. The instruction stated that the following buildings do not need EPC’s:

Industrial sites, workshops and non-residential agricultural buildings with low energy demand.

This is a non-relevant building because the indoor climate is not controlled or conditioned and the building is not connected to any other relevant building,

I am a level 4 commercial energy assessor registered with National Energy Services NHER, my registration number is …../ I am both registered and qualified to make the above statement.’


From previous examples it is useful to pay mention to the photographic evidence provided within the text.

We would advise you contact your EPC assessor to get this letter re-written, this circumstance has occurred for a number of sites so your assessor may already be aware of this issue. Please let us know when you’ve managed to get this document updated to include more relevant information we will then be able to send it off to Ofgem for approval.

Please be aware that if you have submitted a read this quarter we will be able to make an out of process payment to yourself after we receive an approved exemption letter.

The key parts of the "legislation" are:

From the guidance to FIT Generators (those that own the PV)

“2.88. The energy efficiency requirement applies to a PV installation or extension with an Eligibility Date on or after 1 April 2012 which is wired to a “relevant building” or wired to provide electricity to one or more such buildings.
2.89. A “relevant building” is defined in Schedule A to Standard Licence Condition 3346 and must be a roofed construction which has walls and for which energy is used to condition the indoor climate. Examples of energy being used to condition the indoor climate include heating and cooling systems. If any aspect of this definition does not apply to a building to which the PV installation is wired to provide electricity to then the energy efficiency requirement does not apply.
2.90. A relevant building must also be a building in respect of which an EPC can be issued. If an EPC cannot be issued then the building is not a relevant building and the energy efficiency requirement does not apply. Under the EPB Regulations some properties are exempt from the requirement for an EPC; however if a building can be assessed and receive an EPC then the energy efficiency requirement will apply under the FIT legislation (irrespective of whether an EPB exemption applies or not).
2.91. Failure to demonstrate that the efficiency requirement does not apply will result in the FIT generator receiving the lower tariff.”

And from the guidance to the FiT Suppliers (those that pay the FIT out)

“Applications from FIT Generators who do not have an EPC (including definition of a relevant building)
3.77. A “relevant building” is defined in the SLCs28 and must be a roofed construction which has walls, and for which energy is used to condition the indoor climate. Examples of energy being used to condition the indoor climate include heating and cooling systems. If any aspect of this definition does not apply to a building to which the PV installation is wired to provide electricity to then the energy efficiency requirement does not apply.
3.78. A “relevant building” must also be a building in respect of which an EPC can be issued. If an EPC cannot be issued then the building is not a relevant building and the energy efficiency requirement does not apply. Under the Energy Performance of Buildings (EPB) Regulations some properties are exempt from the requirement for an EPC; however if a building can be assessed and receive an EPC then the energy efficiency requirement will apply under FIT legislation (irrespective of whether an EPB exemption applies or not).
3.79. It is the responsibility of the FIT Generator to prove that an EPC cannot be obtained for any building that the PV is wired to provide electricity to. One option to demonstrate this would be for the FIT Generator to provide a document from an EPC assessor which confirms that it was not possible to obtain an EPC on the building/s and to clearly state the reasons why.
3.80. A FIT Generator who claims, for any of the reasons outlined above, that a building to which the installation is wired to provide electricity is not a relevant building such that the energy efficiency requirement does not apply will be required to provide a declaration to that effect with their application. A copy of the declarations can be found in Appendix 5 and 6.
3.81. The evidence that the energy efficiency requirement does not apply and the corresponding declarations should be provided at the time of application. This will enable the FIT Licensee to confirm that at the time of the determination of an installation‘s Eligibility Date the energy efficiency requirement did not apply
3.82. Failure to demonstrate that the energy efficiency requirement does not apply at the installations Eligibility Date will result in the FIT installation receiving the lower tariff.”
 
We've been through this recently also. Be aware that there is a difference between a building that is 'exempt' and one that an EPC cannot be applied to.

A building that is technically exempt might be able to technically have an EPC carried out, ie has walls roof heating/cooling.

Wheras a building that doesn't have 4 walls, roof, heating/cooling cannot have an EPC but does not qualify for an exemption. So for this you will not need an exemption letter but a letter stating the building cannot be given an EPC.

Sorry thought i'd be able to explain it better than that... Caused us a bit of confusion with our energy assessor who in the end did not write the letter but arranged for a collegue with more insurance to do it for us as her standard insurance wouldn't cover it if it all went wrong and OfGem rejected the application.

Also our client decided on Ecotricity for the FiT and HH export contract and they were very helpful through the whole process. Two points of contact, one for the tariff side and one for the contract/admin side. Both had a direct dial number and were always available to answer stupid questions from us. This was a major point of comfort for the client after speaking to the usual suspects and being transfered endlessly between people/departments.

PM me if you want to go through anything, was our first 50kW system so know how you feel.

e
 

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