FActory sockets issue

[davesparks]

Yes insurance fears, liability fears and journalists looking for sensational stories have created the myths.
Yes you can get taken to court and the HSE will be nowhere to be seen, but if it is not an HSE matter then why on earth would they get involved? That would be a waste of time as it is nothing to do with them.

 

[Knobhead]

My biggest concern. The OP hasn’t a clue what he’s talking about.

Which leads me to the concussion, he’s the manager. He’s looking for a cheap get out.

 

[wozz]

Yes insurance fears, liability fears and journalists looking for sensational stories have created the myths.
Yes you can get taken to court and the HSE will be nowhere to be seen, but if it is not an HSE matter then why on earth would they get involved? That would be a waste of time as it is nothing to do with them.

So lets us a example then,

the company that was fined when a employee drove a peg into the ground and got a shock, HSE all over it no training, no work instruction, blah blah big fine. HSE does press conference about employer responsibilities when carrying out this work, after a successful prosecution.

School fate gets cancelled as head teacher doesnt want caretaker banging pegs into ground, paper gets hold of it runs story. BOOM myth busted by HSE, 'there is no health and safety law preventing school fate'.

Yes very well done that really helped everyone out.

 

[Pete999]

Have to agree with Tony some of the terminology in the first post sounds like someone who hasn't a clue

 

[wozz]

i thought it sounded like a manger who has been presented with a problem and wants some advice on it.

 

[davesparks]

So lets us a example then,

the company that was fined when a employee drove a peg into the ground and got a shock, HSE all over it no training, no work instruction, blah blah big fine. HSE does press conference about employer responsibilities when carrying out this work, after a successful prosecution.

School fate gets cancelled as head teacher doesnt want caretaker banging pegs into ground, paper gets hold of it runs story. BOOM myth busted by HSE, 'there is no health and safety law preventing school fate'.

Yes very well done that really helped everyone out.

Eh? The problem there is not health and safety preventing the school fate !
There is definately no law banning school fetes!

The head teacher has overreacted completely!
As with all things health and safety you identify the risks and hazards then take appropriate action to keep people safe.
In this situation the risks associated with banging pegs in the ground could have been reduced by checking plans of underground services and making a note that they have been checked!
Or else you use an alternative method of securing the marquee!

 

[wozz]

The problem is the HSE making a example of a one and then the other follows. Yes the school could look at alternatives or send the caretaker on a safe digging course, buy a calibrated CAT scanner, send him on a course to use it, commission someone to survey the grounds, or just cancel it due to their growing list of H&S responsibilities.

 

[davesparks]

You seem to be trying to make a point where none exists! They just have to apply common sense, take steps to check you aren't going to spike anything if you are knocking pegs into the ground!

 

[wozz]

Common sense? no mate you need a safe system of work, if you cant provide one dont do the job.

this is a bit off topic now so im going to leave it but theres plenty of cases with the myth buster saying one thing when in fact its quite another.

 

[davesparks]

A safe system of work is by and large a formal statement of common sense!

 

[Paddyenglishman]

Thanks for the replies .

Oh and i 'm not the manager or the owner or some dork looking for a quick cheap fix . I'm a electrician who trained a long time ago and has been doing machine repair for a very long time now . Its nice to see that all forums have members that jump to conclusions
.I'm not based in the UK and as such the enforcement of regulations is lax . I was looking for a hint as to where i can find in the IEE Regs that it says i can't use said sockets .
I like the rcd socket idea Craig and will probably run with it after i've written some twoddle to inspector in a statement . The environment ,in this case , doesn't come under any special conditions .Unlike other areas in the factory where i need Eex equipment .

Thanks for the ideas ,and the comments

Regards
Clueless Abroad ....... ( sarcasm really should have a font)

 

[Marvo]

I'm pretty sure you won't find it in any regs that you can't use this type of socket as long as they're correctly installed.

 

[wozz]

Agreed and they are suitable for the environment which they are in. Could it be the inspector didn't want general items from home plugged in? If so a change in paperwork forbidding items from home would be easiest. Whatever it may be I don't think 7671 is the answer here.

Can an you give anymore info on what the concerns are?

 

[Paddyenglishman]

Agreed and they are suitable for the environment which they are in. Could it be the inspector didn't want general items from home plugged in? If so a change in paperwork forbidding items from home would be easiest. Whatever it may be I don't think 7671 is the answer here.

Can an you give anymore info on what the concerns are?

I was informed , by my employer, that the inspector was unimpressed that we had the sockets .
As the operators bring in all sorts of Radios and the like i'm guessing he spotted one of these on an extension lead .
The change in paperwork is what will be happening along with the RCD type sockets .

 

[davesparks]

Thankfully there is not currently any legal requirement around here to only install things which a jobs worth inspector will be impressed by.

As I mentioned earlier get the inspector to cite which regulation he is referring to here, if he can't then tell him to do one!