Failed EICR Query

[Julie.]

The app wouldn't do that, i said 5g would be everywhere eventually.


It would rely on user input.

That's for a regulatory body to decide.

I don't know why you're expecting me to come up with some full working solution. It can be done, trust me, but if i had the time to sit and work it out i wouldn't be following a Level 2 college course and would instead be getting tech firms and venture capitalists on board.

Eventually technology will render this stuff impossible to fake. And it's just around the corner. Yes it could be done via an app integrated with a tester, it could be integrated via thermal imaging technology, it could be integrated by smart contracts where the customer and engineer have to agree beforehand what condition the installation is in making it impossible for someone to, say, drill a 4mm hole and claim it was there to begin with, or clip out some cables and claim they need rewiring etc.

It's theoretically possible to actually install a ledger straight into an installation which means you could read and record cable values etc without even going to the building. It would just send data like a smart meter does.

It's also possible through a range of technologies to prevent stuff from being tampered with without it being recorded somewhere.

You guys will get how big this stuff is going to be in 5-10 years when we have billions of drones flying above head, self-driving cars, self-managing smart cities, full smart homes and flying cars (no, i'm not joking) and robots delivering our mail (no, i'm also not joking, check out SingularityNET.)

Until then my best guess is that it would be prudent to have some sort of central authority responsible for EICR's, and it would be possible to install a simple interface that records all the data straight from the MFT to a cert - i know you can get torque wrenches that connect to software and send the reading directly to a cert. All you have to do is connect that data through an immutable public ledger and the result cannot be changed - if the tested read 1ohm it records 1ohm and you cannot say it didn't since the ledger is immutable. The possibilities are endless.

I think you are completely misunderstanding the requirements or need here.

All this thing appears to do is collect a few bits of test results - which adds little to solve the problem.

So what if it recorded a Zs of 0.9ohm on a 16A mcb feeding a radial - so it's recorded automatically rather than entering it manually - how does this solve anything - is 0.9 ohm correct for this circuit? How could the mft possibly know this?

As for the 4mm hole in the side of the cu this should be well known at the moment, it doesn't need any committee to decide anything - any electrician should know straight away.

Which is more the point - neither of these simple problems are aided by any app or automatic recording.

What is needed is that the people doing the eicr actually understand what they are doing and work to a standard.

Any app or automation is superfluous

 

[DPG]

Post 76 is spot on.

 

[littlespark]

The truth is NO ONE can see into the future and KNOW how we will be working in 5 or 10 years.

We can only predict, to a certain extent, how current technology will evolve.
We have 5G already, and yes it will cover the majority of the country…. But saying that, certain areas of the country are still waiting for 3G! (If any mobile coverage)

 

[timhoward]

I would go as far as agreeing that until EICR's (or at least a sample) are routinely reviewed by someone, whether it be the local council, a cps scam, or even Ted down the pub, there will always be opportunism, different interpretations, and downright incompetence to some degree.
I don't see technology during the T&I process contributing much towards improvement. Latest testers can already store all the results and upload them to a computer, though in reality for most of us it's far too much a faff to use these features!

I think the OP made some very astute comments about the mess and pot luck surrounding EICR's but I still don't feel the original EICR was miles off. At the end of the day the original CU owes no-one anything and it's time to put something in that will likely stay there for the next 30 years!

 

[UNG]

No offence but you guys really know very little about the tech that is coming, and this thread proves it.

Wait until you hear about what they're planning with drones. Neuron | Hedera Hashgraph - https://hedera.com/users/neuron

Genuinely no offence meant.

You are perpetuating other peoples predictions without any real evidence to substantiate your claims. When they put man on the Moon in 1969 it was predicted that in less than a decade we would have man land landing on Mars some 50+ years on it still hasn't happened and

Nope, was pointing out that the point wasn't even that. 5g WILL cover every inch of the planet. But that's not relevant to the point i was making and is a pointless side argument i'm not interested in having.

I think you need to get your head out of the dark side and stop twisting and backtracking on what you are saying. You don't even know how difficult it would be to build a cost effective 5g radio network that will cover every inch of the planet with low cost high speed internet connections

Sorry but you should stick to electric since you have no clue about technology. No offence meant, genuinely, but you sound just like the pre boomers who said the internet would never take off - you don't know how much you don't know.

I do actually very much take offence at that that comment and one thing I know about you is you clearly don't know as much as you think you do.
Look back over the last 50 - 60 years and some of the technology predictions that were made during that period yes some have actually happened but many have fallen by the wayside and some are still waiting for the technology to make them happen

For instance you would never make the point about data protection if you actually knew the immutable data can be stored anonymously via TLS encryption.

When some body has to have access to view the information on the ledger to make a decision on the evidence stored as to whether the C1, 2, or 3 is a correct outcome and any circuit tests are valid any anonymity is lost TLS encryption or not as the ledger will no doubt have the location of where the data was collected and uploaded if they are different otherwise it will be meaningless