Have a commercial customer who needs a scheduled EICR. Limitations have been agreed at 30% of circuits to be tested but even so I am looking at testing well over 100 circuits. What would you agree is a fair price per circuit considering there is so much to do but at the same time we obviously are testing a lot. The job is in London and I was thinking about £15.00 per circuit or does this seem expensive?? THANKS! Bilbo
True....and, if not labelled up well, it could take as long tracing and counting.
If they are getting other quotes you may be surprised. £8 - £10 per circuit is common now. EICR is the new PAT
(Not for me I may add)
If they are getting other quotes you may be surprised. £8 - £10 per circuit is common now. EICR is the new PAT
The shysters have been in it for years....some of the big firms have more lim's than Mercedes and Jaguar put together.
This would be one of the major factors for me too. I would go with that circuit price if everything is in place record and identification wise.
We once did a working men's club EICR. About 80 circuits over 6 boards, nothing ID'd, no testing for probably 40 years, alterations to the system over the last 20 years carried out by patrons who "know about electrics".
They wanted a price..... not on your nelly ! We gave them a day rate and a rough time estimate with no guarantees. It was probably a day and a half in before we actually started testing....
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Octopus
I've just been approached to do an EICR, 23 circuits in a very small office suite. Lord knows what they all do!
I'm tempted to offer to go in on a Saturday and start pulling fuses just to see what they do!
As for pricing - when I suggested £25 per ciruit my mate was surprised! I think a couple of hours investigation should identify the circuits as it must be a large number of single socket radials!
I'm tempted to offer to go in on a Saturday and start pulling fuses just to see what they do!
As for pricing - when I suggested £25 per ciruit my mate was surprised! I think a couple of hours investigation should identify the circuits as it must be a large number of single socket radials!
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OhmElectrical
I'd say depends on what you are doing and how far you need to go.
Are you testing sub main feeds or just TP circuits off a local DB.
Factor in time for bugerstion with stuff that can only be isolated at specific times and it stuff that needs heigh level access etc.
Are you testing sub main feeds or just TP circuits off a local DB.
Factor in time for bugerstion with stuff that can only be isolated at specific times and it stuff that needs heigh level access etc.
If it's commercial maybe there has been less "diy" messing about and with clean circuits you could do it. On domestic I wouldn't at that price unless you are into the "driveby" EICR which I have had recent experience of picking up the pieces. ( from Checkatrade member!)
If your pricing against other companies then you may find £15 per circuit is too high. As someone else pointed out, £8 - £10 per circuit has been heard of. Are you testing 30% of circuits AND 30% of accessories per circuit? If so then at £15 per circuit you should be able to do 3 per hr so thats £45 per hr.
I'd say£200 commercial is too low myself.
If if you really want the job go in low but make your estimate full of caveats. So when. You turn up and stuff isn't as they said you have plenty of wriggle room. Then because you are on site they'll have no option but to use you and you can renegotiate the price back up to where it should be.
If insurers are asking for this ask to see the letter so you are pricing for what they have demanded.
Good luck
If if you really want the job go in low but make your estimate full of caveats. So when. You turn up and stuff isn't as they said you have plenty of wriggle room. Then because you are on site they'll have no option but to use you and you can renegotiate the price back up to where it should be.
If insurers are asking for this ask to see the letter so you are pricing for what they have demanded.
Good luck
This strategy needs to be presented properly to the customer though. There can be a fine line between covering your costs due to unforeseen circumstances, and going in at a loss to win the job with the intention of piling on the extras to make it up at the customer's expense.
If you are not completely upfront with what is included and what is not, you can risk looking like a chancer when your final bill comes in.
It is very competitive market now. They wont wear day work. Good luck. Electrical Compliance Prices | Circuit Electrical Testing | Circuit Electrical
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Guest77
I would suggest 2 circuits per hour if you include the paper work regarding test sheets and then invoicing and profit, that would be 50 hours work, at London rates that would be approx £2,500 plus vat, that said I would not give a price without a site visit, a visit can tell you much more than a ball point figure on a computer from people you have never met. Long and short of it is get to site and have a good look first.
Just wow 1000+ circuits at £6.95 per circuit. LOL. Actually not lol....more sob sob sob. To be fair the company website looks as if my 13yo niece did it so I wouldn't have thought any "large" company would be overly impressed with their professionalism.....maybe its just me though I do think if you must have an online presence then you should at the very least make it clean tidy and professional.
Most large installations will be tested @ 20% done over a 5 year period that equals a 100% inspection done every 5 years without the cost or disruption of a 100% test. Very common practice. If the client wants even 10% then that is what you give them .....that is what samples and limitations are all about.
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Guest77
Okay so If I asked you to check out an installation at Gloucestershire Royal Hospital and had quotes of 1k from 3 different companies would you charge me 1k and stay on site for 3 years testing every circuit on every board then? Think about it, Diddy is 100% right, you do what is asked by the client and what is agreed regarding limitation, get a grip man.
Definitely. Totally agree. I meant the former, not the latter. More rectus-protectus than chancer.
It's not "stated" anywhere, because this is something you agree specifically for each job with each client. As MDJ says, it's perfectly normal in large commercial/industrial situations...quite different from a 10 circuit domestic job (although even here you may limit the number of accessories you remove, if for no other reason than to limit damage to decoration) .
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cobrauk
I am not disagreeing with what was said, I would just have liked to see it written in B&W
Removing fewer accessories I would agree that just a sample would tell you if more needed to be looked at more.
Its the testing part I wouldn't do less then 100%, because what would happen for example someone had a shock and it was one of the circuits you didn't test, would you be liable if it went to court ?
Removing fewer accessories I would agree that just a sample would tell you if more needed to be looked at more.
Its the testing part I wouldn't do less then 100%, because what would happen for example someone had a shock and it was one of the circuits you didn't test, would you be liable if it went to court ?
See GN3 for guidance on sampling rates for inspection and testing.
Yep, Andy's advice is spot on. What you describe would only be a problem if you did not test something you had agreed to. If you agree a sampling % at an agreed rate, then find that this sampling is highlighting more widespread problems, then you go back to the client, explain what you have found and agree to increase the sample %.
.... and I appreciate that you weren't disagreeing with what had been said:santa1:
.... and I appreciate that you weren't disagreeing with what had been said:santa1:
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BlueToBits
I gave up trying to price per circuit commercial/industrial testing and quoted a day rate with an estimated duration. We agreed we would do a full initial inspection and test fixing faults and defects that were practicable during the course of the inspection. If they could give us of one of their maintenance staff with building knowledge, authority and a full set of keys it would be much quicker and cheaper. The maintenance guys were usually happy to take notes, foot ladders, carry gear, bring tea and run round telling people to shut down computers and machines. They would know the building layout and things like 'Production Room 3' was now 'Accounts', and 'There is no key for the lift room - just push the door really hard - it swells up when it rains' . Because our time was costing the client money, we would be given priority, immediate answers to our questions, van parking in the loading bay and generally treated like royalty. We could tell them that because we were 100% confident with all the initial test results we could start a rolling system of sample testing for subsequent years saving £100s. We would end up doing all the remedial work and new installation work too, with the same level of co-operation. We had several clients each providing between 10 and 20 man weeks work per year at any one time. We had to build their trust, we could have ripped them off but we didn't, and we didn't feel that we were being ripped off either. It worked for both sides really well. This rarely happened when working on a price-per-circuit basis.
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Guest77
There are companies the length and breadth of the UK doing EICRs daily and they all Lim circuits due to various reasoning, it is the way it is done, as mentioned it isn't a 10 way domestic board here, believe it or not there is a lot more to electrical Installations than houses, commerce and industry have coped for donkey's years with the LIM system, and we won't allow the NICEIC domestic Installer scheme to change the way it has always been lmao chuckle.
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