Final Ring Test during EICR

[Dizzy_Maskell]

Guys non domestic stuff here but is it true that you don't carry out ring final tests on EICR.

Or is it that you don't have to and done do it as a matter of course anyway or do you charge extra for doing stuff not needed.

I'm of the opinion of its not much extra to do it then I'll just do it anyway.

 

[malcolmsanford]

It is entirely upto the tester on what tests he needs to perform, but obviously the more testing done the thorough the report is going to be.

I have to be honest I have never heard this. If there is a ring final then as a tester I would want to know that it is a proper ring, otherwise you could have a situation of a broken CPC, or a 2.5 cable overloaded on a 32 amp PD.

Is there a reason you want to omit the tests?

 

[telectrix]

i always do end-end on RFC for EICR. as malcolm says, diy dave might have been bodging and compromised the ring.

 

[Octopus]

An EICR which includes a rfc is not done properly if the end to end of the circuit are not done.

Just saying.

 

[DPG]

Guys non domestic stuff here but is it true that you don't carry out ring final tests on EICR.

Or is it that you don't have to and done do it as a matter of course anyway or do you charge extra for doing stuff not needed.

I'm of the opinion of its not much extra to do it then I'll just do it anyway.

Out of interest, where did this idea come from? Daz

 

[YoungBart]

Sounds like a misinterpretation of the idea that you don't need to test every circuit, Just a sample.

 

[Dizzy_Maskell]

I'm of the opinion it should be done but also worried as a contractor I spoke to once asked me as it does not have to be done you are charging for work that isn't needed.

 

[YoungBart]

I'm of the opinion it should be done but also worried as a contractor I spoke to once asked me as it does not have to be done you are charging for work that isn't needed.

I was always told that all tests on an RFC must be done, even on an EICR, But I couldn't give a reg to back this up,
Any other final circuits can be omitted providing whoever Is asking for the report agrees, and You can just test a sample, the size of which depends upon the clients agreement and the state of the install.
That's how I was told, but I'm sure the more experienced lads will see you right.

 

[Guest77]

The end to end circuits are actually one of the easiest tests to do IMO, so pretty confused.

 

[wiganspark]

I believe it says in GN3 that on an EICR you don't have to do ring continuity if you have previous records and the circuit hasn't been altered, Don't know how you would be 100% sure of this so just crack on and do it, rather spend a bit more time and do what your being paid to do than cutting corners

 

[Dizzy_Maskell]

I'm fully prepared and happy to do it just wanted to see ppls opinions as you can argue for not doing it as for doing it.
Obviously testing would be quicker without it (baring in mind it's a huge install 36 way TP&N DBs full of ring finals so the extra leg work and time etc has to be paid for but I did not want to have an argument why it's cost £x more for stuff that technically did not need to be done.

I hope people understand I am more than confident to do the tests and fully agree they need doing but if "officially" they don't have to be tested then am I charging for extra work that's not needed and so causing fraud ? Just because I feel it's good practice I don't want to be liable.

It's like I always recommend RCD protection to old existing socket circuits they don't technically need it but I recommend it and obviously charge the extra for it but it doesn't have to be done so I can't say I have to charge you for this.

If people understand what I am trying to say ?

 

[Octopus]

The end to end circuits are actually one of the easiest tests to do IMO, so pretty confused.

Not when you are doing an EICR for peanuts..........they barely have time to create a certificate!

 

[Deleted member 9648]

I do r1,rn and r2 tests but not figure of eight tests. End to ends are quick and a broken RFC is a serious issue IMO. Figure of eight tests are impractical on a circuit unknown to the tester because spurs etc would give readings which would be time consuming and disruptive to interpret.

 

[Andy78]

I am with the gang that test end to end on ring finals on an EICR. If you are not going to do that then why test any continuity on any circuit ? Or for that matter why do any testing ?

What you have got to ask yourself is at what point does the trimming down of included tests impact upon the requirements of periodic testing and inspection ?
621.2 (iii) confirmation that the installation is not damaged or deteriorated so as to impair safety.
(iv) the identification of installation defects and departures from the requirements of these regulations that may give rise to danger.

 

[Farmelectrics]

Your opinion is wrong I'm afraid to say yes you do have to confirm its a ring and also to confirm your r1 r2 reading