Finding a decent plumber!!!!!

[HappyHippyDad]

Everytime I get a plumber they are either ridiculously expensive, leave something dripping.... or both!!

I dont touch plumbing in my house as both times I've attempted it I've just got into a right pickle. I dont understand water, with electrics you do things a set way and it works, with plumbing I do it exactly as stated and then I get ... drip, drip, drip!!!

Anyway.. I needed the copper pipes channelled innto the wall rather than stuck on the outside and boxed in. They go directly from the stop cock (where the main bonding is attached). The chap said he would use copper. I get home and see a great length of plastic pipe stuck in the wall all the way up to and into the ceiling.... I have just spent the last hour getting a 10mm cable from the stop cock to the start of the copper pipe, had to drill a downlight hole in ceiling to access it!!! Luckily I'm just about to have the ceiling skimmed!!

The point is if I didn't know (a little!!) about earthing and bonding my house would now be left without all the water pipework bonded (there might be some parellel paths but thats besides the point)!!

Ggrrrrr...... I'm disappointed with tradesmen at the moment!! Apart from electricians who always do a good job :biggrin:

 

[Amp David]

Now this good length of plastic has been installed, is the pipework after it still extraneous?

 

[amckay]

I do hope he didn't charge for copper pipes! Cheeky ****!

 

[HappyHippyDad]

Now this good length of plastic has been installed, is the pipework after it still extraneous?

Well I did think about that Amp David, but with that argument we could all just fit a small bit of plastic piping after the stop cock and then forget about bonding so I thought I'd rather have my house bonded!

 

[High Tower]

Well I did think about that Amp David, but with that argument we could all just fit a small bit of plastic piping after the stop cock and then forget about bonding so I thought I'd rather have my house bonded!

What you have actually done is created a really random bit of supplementary bonding, it's also a waste of time as it's not accessible for maintainence. If that was the case in new builds where pipe tails are installed in copper or stainless for astetics we would be bloody busy bonding them all.

If you are unsure, test the pipe work back to the Met, if you have RCD's installed then as long as the pipe work has a continuity to the MET of less than 1667 ohms or above 50k then there is no need to bond.

What you have done there my friend is hack a hole in your ceiling for bugger all!

 

[Silly Sausage]

At least it was his own house!

 

[HappyHippyDad]

What you have actually done is created a really random bit of supplementary bonding, it's also a waste of time as it's not accessible for maintainence. If that was the case in new builds where pipe tails are installed in copper or stainless for astetics we would be bloody busy bonding them all.

If you are unsure, test the pipe work back to the Met, if you have RCD's installed then as long as the pipe work has a continuity to the MET of less than 1667 ohms or above 50k then there is no need to bond.

What you have done there my friend is hack a hole in your ceiling for bugger all!

Feel quite foolish and am going to sit in my shed with a cup of tea and Guidance note 8. :shame:

 

[Geordie Spark]

Feel quite foolish and am going to sit in my shed with a cup of tea and Guidance note 8. :shame:

Sod the Guidance Note 8 - have a packet of Hobnobs instead. Much tastier.

 

[Silly Sausage]

Sod the Guidance Note 8 - have a packet of Hobnobs instead. Much tastier.

Absolutely, far too dry.
Much better char grilled on the barby.

 

[Guitarist]

Have to agree with HT here. Once the plastic pipework has broken the copper pipe circuit immediately after the stopcock, then the rest of the copper pipework in the house is no longer part of that extraneous circuit (that's always assuming that it's a metal mains coming in to begin with, and thus needs bonding). The problem with plastic pipework comes about when we have sections within an installation which breaks parts of that circuit, but due to some of the copper touching other bits of copper without making a good connection, we end up with high resistance between sections. All that said, most installations end up with hot and cold pipes effectively bonded via the boiler anyway...

 

[High Tower]

Feel quite foolish and am going to sit in my shed with a cup of tea and Guidance note 8. :shame:

Don't feel foolish mate, every day is a school day!, it's a lesson learnt and a bit mot experience gained

 

[Guest77]

Everytime I get a plumber they are either ridiculously expensive, leave something dripping.... or both!!

I dont touch plumbing in my house as both times I've attempted it I've just got into a right pickle. I dont understand water, with electrics you do things a set way and it works, with plumbing I do it exactly as stated and then I get ... drip, drip, drip!!!

Anyway.. I needed the copper pipes channelled innto the wall rather than stuck on the outside and boxed in. They go directly from the stop cock (where the main bonding is attached). The chap said he would use copper. I get home and see a great length of plastic pipe stuck in the wall all the way up to and into the ceiling.... I have just spent the last hour getting a 10mm cable from the stop cock to the start of the copper pipe, had to drill a downlight hole in ceiling to access it!!! Luckily I'm just about to have the ceiling skimmed!!

The point is if I didn't know (a little!!) about earthing and bonding my house would now be left without all the water pipework bonded (there might be some parellel paths but thats besides the point)!!

Ggrrrrr...... I'm disappointed with tradesmen at the moment!! Apart from electricians who always do a good job :biggrin:

Give my mate Paddy at PPS plumbing a ring Steve, he and his oppo lee are good guys and reliable and decent enough, just google him for the number, he is a cheltenham POOF but a nice guy lol

 

[HappyHippyDad]

Give my mate Paddy at PPS plumbing a ring Steve, he and his oppo lee are good guys and reliable and decent enough, just google him for the number, he is a cheltenham POOF but a nice guy lol

Cheers Mike, I'll do that next time.

 

[R G]

Have to agree with HT here. Once the plastic pipework has broken the copper pipe circuit immediately after the stopcock, then the rest of the copper pipework in the house is no longer part of that extraneous circuit (that's always assuming that it's a metal mains coming in to begin with, and thus needs bonding). The problem with plastic pipework comes about when we have sections within an installation which breaks parts of that circuit, but due to some of the copper touching other bits of copper without making a good connection, we end up with high resistance between sections. All that said, most installations end up with hot and cold pipes effectively bonded via the boiler anyway...

Nice to hear from you again mate ...

 

[Silly Sausage]

Cheers Mike, I'll do that next time.

Basic plumbing is a piece of the proverbial; pipe bending, joints etc.
Get yourself some bits and pieces and give it a go.
Why give your hard earned to a plumber!!!