fire detection flat above office

[UNG]

If you are not an inexperienced expert what are you your profile and past posts in this and other threads is obviously giving the wrong impression.

Why does someone with way more knowledge and experience have to justify themselves to you

U still going on?

So who isn't answering the question now

Put or shut up and leave and don't slam the door on the way out

 

[Poult12]

Again you still going on to lead an argument which means nothing to you. Real clever of u.

 

[telectrix]

poultry, if you got nothing useful to contribute, bugger off.

 

[Guest55]

Again you still going on to lead an argument which means nothing to you. Real clever of u.

you've been a member here for all of 5 minutes and yet have still managed to annoy nearly every respected member to the point that someone whos contributions are valued wants to throw the towel in.

so either tow the line or f*** off back to where you came from.

last warning.

 

[UNG]

poultry, if you got nothing useful to contribute, bugger off.

you've been a member here for all of 5 minutes and yet have still managed to annoy nearly every respected member to the point that someone whos contributions are valued wants to throw the towel in.

so either tow the line or f*** off back to where you came from.

last warning.

Well said Tel and Biff

Again you still going on to lead an argument which means nothing to you. Real clever of u.

Thank you for answering my question you can't justify the space you have taken up in this thread cos you are a know nowt jumped up twirp

I'm not looking for an argument just a clarification of your qualification and / or experience as an expert who picks at the posts of some one who is eminently more experienced than you and you obviously cannot do that so sling yer hook

 

[Knobhead]

BTW by the number of thanks I've doled out you may guess I don't like this guy.

 

[telectrix]

given you one back there, tony.

 

[GMES]

Why is admin not having a word in his shell like, come on lads earn your money.

 

[MDJ]

Haha!! Maybe you should go back to the FA course....

LMAO, Hilarious, your new around here aren't you?

 

[MDJ]

My profile is merely down to the fact i came on here recently for other help with understand my college course. As every electrician knows there is a hell of alot to learn besides fire alarms. (Especially when thats all u deal with) so saying im an inexperience expert just down to a profile....wow.

Just to confirm my (small) knowledge of the L categories:-
L1 throughout - including spaces bigger than 1sq m, voids more the 800mm in depth.
L2 - an L3 with additional Higher Risk areas. (Not so different)
L3 designed to protect escape routes
L4 & L5 not really worth thinking about on this case.

Now i fully understand Tazz that you are clearly Superior in your knowledge I'm i cant deny that there are clearly somethings in Fire i have little knowledge of.
So if you can clarify those Ls... By all means

Oh your a jumped up trainee then LMAO

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Again you still going on to lead an argument which means nothing to you. Real clever of u.

here:

something for you to read about....its about a father`s son that strayed to close to fiery things:


http://www.mythweb.com/encyc/entries/icarus.html

 

[Geordie Spark]

BTW by the number of thanks I've doled out you may guess I don't like this guy.

You, you tight arse, give thanks out like they were your last Rolo !!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TOgmqWUAE8I

 

[Sintra]

U see that word OPINION...
That was yours.
Valued member yes i can see that.
But to say im shooting down someone opinion or word. Only person i see doing that is him.
And im sprout garbage... Ok

Yes it was mine plus every other respected member of this forum. Your word is of little value to myself or others.

 

[Poult12]

Oh your a jumped up trainee then LMAO

You refer to me trying to understand things through this forum to help with the course.
Anyone who works for a Fire Alarm company knows you do Nothing with single phase, 3 phase and such like.
Makes me a jumped up trainee? No.

Makes me want to learn more in a field of which i'm nowhere near going to be able to cope with without the support from the employer. (Which i dont get)

Next you'll say you should be asking questions to progress and what not. In a FA company how would i pass an AM2 exam or understand the more in depth science?

Yeah seems i've completely ****ed off the people that clearly matter to the forum. Does it matter to me? Sure does; as clearly you're the people that would help 'someone' (clearly not me) if obviously a question not stupid needed answering.

 

[MDJ]

You refer to me trying to understand things through this forum to help with the course.
Anyone who works for a Fire Alarm company knows you do Nothing with single phase, 3 phase and such like.
Makes me a jumped up trainee? No.

Makes me want to learn more in a field of which i'm nowhere near going to be able to cope with without the support from the employer. (Which i dont get)

Next you'll say you should be asking questions to progress and what not. In a FA company how would i pass an AM2 exam or understand the more in depth science?

Yeah seems i've completely ****ed off the people that clearly matter to the forum. Does it matter to me? Sure does; as clearly you're the people that would help 'someone' (clearly not me) if obviously a question not stupid needed answering.

Yup you are jumped up, consider yourself dismissed, don't touch any kit off the van on your way out.

 

[MDJ]

You refer to me trying to understand things through this forum to help with the course.
Anyone who works for a Fire Alarm company knows you do Nothing with single phase, 3 phase and such like.
Makes me a jumped up trainee? No.

Makes me want to learn more in a field of which i'm nowhere near going to be able to cope with without the support from the employer. (Which i dont get)

Next you'll say you should be asking questions to progress and what not. In a FA company how would i pass an AM2 exam or understand the more in depth science?

Yeah seems i've completely ****ed off the people that clearly matter to the forum. Does it matter to me? Sure does; as clearly you're the people that would help 'someone' (clearly not me) if obviously a question not stupid needed answering.

Asking questions is fine, arguing with very very experienced engineers in this specialised field isn't fine, to get on in life and in this trade which is varied will be easier if you listen and absorb knowlege rather than argue the ---- on a subject you know very little about. Yes you have upset us already and you are new here. It is a long way back from where you are at the moment.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

You refer to me trying to understand things through this forum to help with the course.
Anyone who works for a Fire Alarm company knows you do Nothing with single phase, 3 phase and such like.
Makes me a jumped up trainee? No.

Makes me want to learn more in a field of which i'm nowhere near going to be able to cope with without the support from the employer. (Which i dont get)

Next you'll say you should be asking questions to progress and what not. In a FA company how would i pass an AM2 exam or understand the more in depth science?

Yeah seems i've completely ****ed off the people that clearly matter to the forum. Does it matter to me? Sure does; as clearly you're the people that would help 'someone' (clearly not me) if obviously a question not stupid needed answering.

sounds like a sympathy card being played does this fella.....lol..

not on my watch.....lol..

 

[Poult12]

No, thats just me seeing the reaction to whats being said and knowing CLEARLY i aint getting nout now.

 

[dazza1981]

This forum is getting more like facebook now with all the bickering that goes on.
If you come on for advice and your given it by somebody who clearly knows his stuff than why not just hit the thank you button and have a nice day.
Why agrue with them and make yourself look a ---

 

[R G]

Listen son I worked with good experienced tradesmen when I was training like you , If I ever said anything like this to a tradesman I would be reprimanded and made to respect those who took there time to help me , bear in mind those guys were paid to do that , well son listen and listen carefully , these guys on here are doing it for nothing , so the message is clear , RESPECT THEM AND LISTEN AND IN YOUR CASE APOLOGISE , if not then you won't get far either on this forum or in real life ,,,,,,,,

 

[Knobhead]

You refer to me trying to understand things through this forum to help with the course.
Anyone who works for a Fire Alarm company knows you do Nothing with single phase, 3 phase and such like.
Makes me a jumped up trainee? No.

Makes me want to learn more in a field of which i'm nowhere near going to be able to cope with without the support from the employer. (Which i dont get)

Next you'll say you should be asking questions to progress and what not. In a FA company how would i pass an AM2 exam or understand the more in depth science?

Yeah seems i've completely ****ed off the people that clearly matter to the forum. Does it matter to me? Sure does; as clearly you're the people that would help 'someone' (clearly not me) if obviously a question not stupid needed answering.

Would you care to elucidate?

I’m always eager to learn about power circuits.

 

[trev]

I can't be bothered to go back and get that comment that you quoted but, just to put him in his place a bit more Tony, why don't you tell him how much you've handled 240V

 

[Darkwood]

Can't believe i missed this thread ... I've seen arrogance in my times but not on this level.. If Poult12 believes he can make a career and earn good money with his kind of blind attitude he's on a fast track to a reality check.... reading his responses regardless of the fact he may be unaware of who are the well educated members are on here is here nor their .... to have complete arrogance that he has the education and experience to dish out advice while dismissing any challenges given to his advice is a strong hint of his character and personality in the real world and ith that attitude his career prospects will always have a ball and chain attached ... I've had possibly 15 apprentices over the years and i can tell from day one who will survive, who will fall and who will exceed and possibly run their own company one day.... PS Im rarely wrong and sorry Poult12 you may scrape a living for a while but with your attitude life gonna be a struggle.

Its not about what you know and don't, its not about giving right or wrong advice what it comes down to is when you are challenged or corrected the manner in which you respond and sorry your attitude stinks!!!

Apologies are fine albeit a small one that was nearly dragged out of you ... in your shoes I'd be personally writing a PM to Tazz with a lengthy apology .(Im hoping you already have without my suggestion TBH).

 

[tazz]

Ok to show I am a decent person, and except your apology..I will explain the Categories for you.
There are 2 categories P & L ( P= property, L= Life) only real difference is sounders can be scaled down in P, but battery backup would be increase to 72 hours.
L1/P1 is to protect all areas within a building with the idea to protect life or property
L2/P1 is to protect all escape routes and any room which opens onto an escape route
L3/P3 is to protect all escape routes and any room which forms a hazzard to the escape route
L4/P4 is to protect all escape routes within the building leading to an exit
L5/P5 is a system which requires special design, not covering any of the above.

With all categories, a risk assessment and fire strategy report may conclude areas of high risk or areas of low risk.
over the years, some I have come across are, detection in public toilets, due to the risk of arson, removal of void detection in 1.5m ceiling, due to the risk being low and not equipment being stored.
Hope this has helped

 

[dazza1981]

Ok to show I am a decent person, and except your apology..I will explain the Categories for you.
There are 2 categories P & L ( P= property, L= Life) only real difference is sounders can be scaled down in P, but battery backup would be increase to 72 hours.
L1/P1 is to protect all areas within a building with the idea to protect life or property
L2/P1 is to protect all escape routes and any room which opens onto an escape route
L3/P3 is to protect all escape routes and any room which forms a hazzard to the escape route
L4/P4 is to protect all escape routes within the building leading to an exit
L5/P5 is a system which requires special design, not covering any of the above.

With all categories, a risk assessment and fire strategy report may conclude areas of high risk or areas of low risk.
over the years, some I have come across are, detection in public toilets, due to the risk of arson, removal of void detection in 1.5m ceiling, due to the risk being low and not equipment being stored.
Hope this has helped[/QU



You deserve alot of respect from the op for this and you TAZZ are indeed a nice fella.

 

[Poult12]

Thank you for adding more to what the FIA course gave me.

 

[sjhall]

Good on you for apologising, now it's time to have a few beers and celebrate Liverpool thrashing United

 

[Poult12]

Good on you for apologising, now it's time to have a few beers and celebrate Liverpool thrashing United

I would but im a YID....

 

[Kate]

Um lols

 

[fuel]

Haha!! Maybe you should go back to the FA course....

Hahaha, brilliant. Im jealous of the knowledge that tazz has!

Good on you for apologising, now it's time to have a few beers and celebrate Liverpool thrashing United

United are a joke... Liverpool are too, but for completley different reasons.

 

[Paul.M]

Thank you for adding more to what the FIA course gave me.

That is what experience gives you. Listen to Tazz, he can build the bridge in between a course and books V's real life installs.

I have, and always will take his word on these matters as the gospel truth.







Until BILL comes back to this forum LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL (private joke, and thats just BILL). :rofl:

 

[tazz]

Bill and I bounce off each other Paul, really good guy with a lot of common sense....miss our good friendly debates