first full rewire

[kmatthews]

ive just done my 2330 exam and im thinking of re-wiring my house i know what ive got to do electrically but with regards to the paper work. i know i cant fill it in as i dont have my 2391 certs

once the house has been rewired do i have to then inform the council to inpect and test and do they send someone out

or can i imploy a spark with the write certs that can sign it off.

whats my options once ive re-wired it

cheers

 

[Graeme Harrold]

All well and good going through the council provided they do operate a competent person scheme. With budget cuts on the way Id be wary of what the council can currently offer and at what price. In addition all of your work will be restricted to within said council boundry before you have to negotiate with another. For all the bad stuff about the Scheme Providers, at least I can work anywhere in England and Wales and notify a job. The scheme provider just send copies to the relevant LABC based on the jobs post code.......

2391 does not let you sign off other sparks work. All you can do is complete a PIR which is not the same as an EIC.

 

[lim88]

exactly!!

what was the point in him coming out? i now know my council has a register, and all the rest should to. it makes life a lot easier than standing there watching him copy your test sheet, might as well send him his own copy saves him some ink

i'm only just starting to go self employed so i have to go through the council to complete some jobs for the nic, napit or alike to inspect. i know what you mean though i will have to work with at least two councils

 

[tuckermot]

I agree with graham

you can pir other peoples work as long as you are competent to do so with out 2391 but a pir and eic certs are two different things !!! pir is testing existing installations and eic is for new installations you still can not sign off other sparks work to part p as you are signing as doing the whole work which you have not !!! I have 2391 and get at least 2 calls a week from people wanting work signed off. my advice is join a registerd body and just cert your owm work !! i would never sign off other peoples work because at the end of the day if something goes wrong you will be left with sorting it out while the other spark/mate who done the work walks free ( something to think about my freind )!!!!

 

[johnboy6083]

if you cant test other sparks work, then how does it work in large firms? i do all kinds of electrical work and the comapnies i work for just tell me what cable to pull in, where t pull i tto, what gear is going on the end of it ect. 9 out of 10 times, they have sparks who's job ios just going around the job testing. they havent seen me puting it in, cos they have been 3 floors up on car park c testing the lighting ect.

id be interested to hear your views.

i know they do it this way because its economical to have blokes doing the same job all the time, because you get quick and efficient at the task you are doing, and understand exactly what they want from you, where if they kept moving you around, they have to show you another drawing and explain it to you again, and the next sparks ect

 

[martysparky]

If a spark is going to test your full rewire expect to pay as much as labc would charge or about that.


if you go labc inform them first and they should visit and advise then test and inspect on completion and issue certs as they have been paid to become responsible fore the safety.


I suppose it comes down to if you want to help a mate out.


when I did my Part P I was told by the lecturer that you need at least one years experience and 2391 to test others work.

 

[lim88]

if you cant test other sparks work, then how does it work in large firms? i do all kinds of electrical work and the comapnies i work for just tell me what cable to pull in, where t pull i tto, what gear is going on the end of it ect. 9 out of 10 times, they have sparks who's job ios just going around the job testing. they havent seen me puting it in, cos they have been 3 floors up on car park c testing the lighting ect.

id be interested to hear your views.

i know they do it this way because its economical to have blokes doing the same job all the time, because you get quick and efficient at the task you are doing, and understand exactly what they want from you, where if they kept moving you around, they have to show you another drawing and explain it to you again, and the next sparks ect

yes i can understand large firms working like this to be more economical. but personally i can't see how you can sign off an EIC for a installation by someone else if you didn't do any of the work or at the very least inspect the work at different stages or something. i have only worked for quite small firms with no more than ten sparks working for them so this might be why i view it this way.

But i have refused to sign off other peoples work for a previous firm i worked for, although this was mainly because i knew how low the standards of the sparks who did the work worked to.

 

[Yooj]

One potential way is to utilise a 3 part EIC...the OP signs off the Design and Construction sections and a scheme registered spark tests and inspects the installation and signs off the I&T section and issues building regs notification...

This would of course incur costs from the spark, however, this 'could' potentially be minimised if the OP did the actual testing, and the spark validates this to their own satisfaction. Furthermore, if I were that spark, I would also validate the design and also visit the site during first fix to validate installation.

Yooj

 

[blackiel]

NICEIC Approved (as opposed to part Poo/D/I)can sign off anything,as long as the testing shows correct,otherwise they will make recommendations for remedy to faulty installation.....