first full rewire

[kmatthews]

ive just done my 2330 exam and im thinking of re-wiring my house i know what ive got to do electrically but with regards to the paper work. i know i cant fill it in as i dont have my 2391 certs

once the house has been rewired do i have to then inform the council to inpect and test and do they send someone out

or can i imploy a spark with the write certs that can sign it off.

whats my options once ive re-wired it

cheers

 

[J@mes]

You can either get the council out to do it or get a scam/ scheme registered spark out to do it.

 

[kmatthews]

do you know how much each one charges about?

 

[SEC-Tom]

You can either get the council out to do it or get a scam/ scheme registered spark out to do it.

Many sparks wouldn't like to put there name on certs for people that they don't really know in my experiance, im not sure why if the testing all clears and is fine..

But as times are hard they might be desperate for some work. Desperate times call for desperate measures...

 

[kmatthews]

ive been told by people that the council charges 185 pound for the please of testing your work isthis about right?

 

[Graeme Harrold]

The cost varies from council to council, and I wouldnt be surprised to see the charges go up before long. You will have to notify BEFORE you start the work should you go down that route. As for the part P side, you will only get another spark to sign the work off with a PIR (officialy) as its doubtfull if you will find one willing to put their signature to an EIC.

 

[tuckermot]

how can a spark sign another sparks work off !!!!! part p states you can only sign your own work off !!! if thats true why do i pay £500 a year when i can bung my local spark a ton to do it for me ?

 

[kmatthews]

im not sure what the crack is ? if you are correct and you can only sign off your own work.

then why do you have to pay what ive just found out 166 pound to the local council for. what exactly do they do apart from robbing you of your money.

is that the only way i can get a electrical cert is by employing a spark to do the complete install and for him to test it?

the spark who came and had a look (not knowing i worked in electrics myself) said around 4k for it all thats a bit more than i was expecting since i could buy everything i need for 1200 quid

 

[GStueyXR]

dont you need 2391 to sign off others work ?

 

[lim88]

If you are a qualified electrician you are qualified to test your own work only, thats why test and inspect is part of the apprenticeship, so you should be able to test it yourself. I would agree that if you got another spark to test it they would do it as a periodic, as they wouldn't want to put there name to someone else's work unless they had a good reason.

I am going self employed and so have been looking into this a little bit.
If your not a member of the nic, napit or similar to comply to part p of the building regs you would need to inform the local building control before you start work and issue them with a copy of the test certificate on completion.

To stop them needing to send someone out you may have to join the councils competent persons register, which just means sending copies of your qualifications to them to prove you are capable of doing the work. Then they should only inspect the work if they decided there could be a problem.

At least thats how my council work it. The best thing to do would be to contact your council and ask them about what they require you to do for part p and if they have a competent persons register you can join.

Hope this helps you.

 

[TobyTheSpark]

Can you not sign your own work off if you have a nvq3 and 2330?

 

[lim88]

Can you not sign your own work off if you have a nvq3 and 2330?

yes when you are a qualified electrician (have gained nvq3 and 2330) you can sign off your own work. to sign off other work like a existing installation you need 2391

 

[adam.h]

So hang on, providing you can prove you are a competent to the local council you can be put on their register and not need them to come out and inspect your work, thus not needing to be part p registered?

 

[lim88]

So hang on, providing you can prove you are a competent to the local council you can be put on their register and not need them to come out and inspect your work, thus not needing to be part p registered?

yes.

if you notify the relevant councils building control before work starts and within 30 days of completion you are complying with part p of the building regs. it is written is a few different books (e.g a guide to test and inspect sat in front of me from the IEE) and my local building control have agreed with this.

Spoke to my local building control less than 24 hour ago about it, and they said if i send copies of my qualifications to them to show i an competent they would put me on the register and then would not need to inspect the work.

 

[adam.h]

Humm... I think I will ring mine today then. I have had them out a few times to inspect my work and all they do is.... actually he just copied my test sheets and that was it. lol

 

[Graeme Harrold]

All well and good going through the council provided they do operate a competent person scheme. With budget cuts on the way Id be wary of what the council can currently offer and at what price. In addition all of your work will be restricted to within said council boundry before you have to negotiate with another. For all the bad stuff about the Scheme Providers, at least I can work anywhere in England and Wales and notify a job. The scheme provider just send copies to the relevant LABC based on the jobs post code.......

2391 does not let you sign off other sparks work. All you can do is complete a PIR which is not the same as an EIC.

 

[lim88]

exactly!!

what was the point in him coming out? i now know my council has a register, and all the rest should to. it makes life a lot easier than standing there watching him copy your test sheet, might as well send him his own copy saves him some ink

i'm only just starting to go self employed so i have to go through the council to complete some jobs for the nic, napit or alike to inspect. i know what you mean though i will have to work with at least two councils

 

[tuckermot]

I agree with graham

you can pir other peoples work as long as you are competent to do so with out 2391 but a pir and eic certs are two different things !!! pir is testing existing installations and eic is for new installations you still can not sign off other sparks work to part p as you are signing as doing the whole work which you have not !!! I have 2391 and get at least 2 calls a week from people wanting work signed off. my advice is join a registerd body and just cert your owm work !! i would never sign off other peoples work because at the end of the day if something goes wrong you will be left with sorting it out while the other spark/mate who done the work walks free ( something to think about my freind )!!!!

 

[johnboy6083]

if you cant test other sparks work, then how does it work in large firms? i do all kinds of electrical work and the comapnies i work for just tell me what cable to pull in, where t pull i tto, what gear is going on the end of it ect. 9 out of 10 times, they have sparks who's job ios just going around the job testing. they havent seen me puting it in, cos they have been 3 floors up on car park c testing the lighting ect.

id be interested to hear your views.

i know they do it this way because its economical to have blokes doing the same job all the time, because you get quick and efficient at the task you are doing, and understand exactly what they want from you, where if they kept moving you around, they have to show you another drawing and explain it to you again, and the next sparks ect

 

[martysparky]

If a spark is going to test your full rewire expect to pay as much as labc would charge or about that.


if you go labc inform them first and they should visit and advise then test and inspect on completion and issue certs as they have been paid to become responsible fore the safety.


I suppose it comes down to if you want to help a mate out.


when I did my Part P I was told by the lecturer that you need at least one years experience and 2391 to test others work.

 

[lim88]

if you cant test other sparks work, then how does it work in large firms? i do all kinds of electrical work and the comapnies i work for just tell me what cable to pull in, where t pull i tto, what gear is going on the end of it ect. 9 out of 10 times, they have sparks who's job ios just going around the job testing. they havent seen me puting it in, cos they have been 3 floors up on car park c testing the lighting ect.

id be interested to hear your views.

i know they do it this way because its economical to have blokes doing the same job all the time, because you get quick and efficient at the task you are doing, and understand exactly what they want from you, where if they kept moving you around, they have to show you another drawing and explain it to you again, and the next sparks ect

yes i can understand large firms working like this to be more economical. but personally i can't see how you can sign off an EIC for a installation by someone else if you didn't do any of the work or at the very least inspect the work at different stages or something. i have only worked for quite small firms with no more than ten sparks working for them so this might be why i view it this way.

But i have refused to sign off other peoples work for a previous firm i worked for, although this was mainly because i knew how low the standards of the sparks who did the work worked to.

 

[Yooj]

One potential way is to utilise a 3 part EIC...the OP signs off the Design and Construction sections and a scheme registered spark tests and inspects the installation and signs off the I&T section and issues building regs notification...

This would of course incur costs from the spark, however, this 'could' potentially be minimised if the OP did the actual testing, and the spark validates this to their own satisfaction. Furthermore, if I were that spark, I would also validate the design and also visit the site during first fix to validate installation.

Yooj

 

[blackiel]

NICEIC Approved (as opposed to part Poo/D/I)can sign off anything,as long as the testing shows correct,otherwise they will make recommendations for remedy to faulty installation.....