Fused Spurs for Kitchen Appliances hidden in cupboard??

[sparkyjohn1]

Just wondering if anyone can shed any light on this Topic, as i have had conflicting opinions from a few sparks..
Is there any Regulations as to where fused spurs for appliances should be,, (ie, so far from each appliance..)?. I know they should be accessible and not obstructed.. I have fitted the 'grid switch system' before with 4 appliances fed from it. But recently came across this Installation,,, it has 7 fused spurs, and one single socket outlet.. Closer inspection, it was a ring, fed by 2 x 2.5 tails back to c/u 32 amp breaker.
Also Note the 2 cooker Isolators next to them,, For Cooker and Induction Hob,, Fed by 6mm and 10mm respectively.
There is a guideline stating cooker Isolators should be 2 meters from appliance,, but is only a recommendation,?!
I know the picture isn't an ideal way of Installation, but would it be acceptable? Is there anything wrong with it??
by the way, Fused spurs are for.. Fridge, Washing Machine, Dish Washer, Tumble Dryer, Extractor fan, Intergrated Microwave, and Heater in the kickboard plinth. Any feedback would be appreciated. thanks

 

[sparkyjohn1]

Fused spurs

Just wondering if anyone can shed any light on this Topic, as i have had conflicting opinions from a few sparks..
Is there any Regulations as to where fused spurs for appliances should be,, (ie, so far from each appliance..)?. I know they should be accessible and not obstructed.. I have fitted the 'grid switch system' before with 4 appliances fed from it. But recently came across this Installation,,, it has 7 fused spurs, and one single socket outlet.. Closer inspection, it was a ring, fed by 2 x 2.5 tails back to c/u 32 amp breaker.
Also Note the 2 cooker Isolators next to them,, For Cooker and Induction Hob,, Fed by 6mm and 10mm respectively.
There is a guideline stating cooker Isolators should be 2 meters from appliance,, but is only a recommendation,?!
I know the picture isn't an ideal way of Installation, but would it be acceptable? Is there anything wrong with it??
by the way, Fused spurs are for.. Fridge, Washing Machine, Dish Washer, Tumble Dryer, Extractor fan, Intergrated Microwave, and Heater in the kickboard plinth. Any feedback would be appreciated. thanks

 

[Simlec]

Look's ok to me, could do with some labels on the switches.

 

[jimjimjim]

That's the best place they could put them?

A narrow, high level kitchen unit where you need steps to get to and a terminal driver to extract a fuse if one blows.

 

[Simlec]

That's the best place they could put them?

A narrow, high level kitchen unit where you need steps to get to and a terminal driver to extract a fuse if one blows.

Better than all on show above your work top lol

 

[jaypp]

there's an unswitched socket above and switched which will presumably be hidden too?

 

[guest119]

That was done by someone with very long arms or very long screwdrivers!

Boydy

 

[Engineer54]

Re: Fused spurs

Now close your eyes and imagine for a moment, that cupboard full of pots pans and other junk!! Then tell me that ALL these switches/FCU'S are going to be readily/easily accessible in the future!!!

Why the hell everything has to be hidden away out of sight these days, is beyond my understanding!! All it achieves, is a kitchen that that can't actually be used as a kitchen, it just looks nice!! lol!!

 

[Geoffsd]

And the point of a second fuse for plugged in appliances is what?

 

[Simlec]

Re: Fused spurs

Duplicate thread.

(Eng the opening will be for a free standing fridge)

 

[Engineer54]

Now close your eyes and imagine for a moment, that cupboard full of pots pans and other junk!! Then tell me that ALL these switches/FCU'S are going to be readily/easily accessible in the future!!! Only a bloody idiot would install these isolating switches at that level and at that depth!!

Why the hell everything has to be hidden away out of sight these days, is beyond my understanding!! All it achieves, is a kitchen that that can't actually be used as a kitchen, it just looks nice!! lol!!

Better than all on show above your work top lol

NO it's not!! thats exactly where most of these controlling wall accessories should be!!​

 

[Geordie Spark]

Now close your eyes and imagine for a moment, that cupboard full of pots pans and other junk!! Then tell me that ALL these switches/FCU'S are going to be readily/easily accessible in the future!!! Only a bloody idiot would install these isolating switches at that level and at that depth!!

Why the hell everything has to be hidden away out of sight these days, is beyond my understanding!! All it achieves, is a kitchen that that can't actually be used as a kitchen, it just looks nice!! lol!!





NO it's not!! thats exactly where most of these controlling wall accessories should be!!​

I had this "discussion" with a customer a while ago.

I wanted the switches above the worktop where they could be reached and she wanted them on the back wall of the cupboard underneath the worktop where they would be hard to get at "like the other electrician did".

I told her I'm not the other electrician.

 

[Octopus]

Re: Fused spurs

Crxp install - not a label in sight - not how I would do it!

 

[Hawkmoon]

Just wondering if anyone can shed any light on this Topic, as i have had conflicting opinions from a few sparks..
Is there any Regulations as to where fused spurs for appliances should be,, (ie, so far from each appliance..)?. I know they should be accessible and not obstructed.. I have fitted the 'grid switch system' before with 4 appliances fed from it. But recently came across this Installation,,, it has 7 fused spurs, and one single socket outlet.. Closer inspection, it was a ring, fed by 2 x 2.5 tails back to c/u 32 amp breaker.
Also Note the 2 cooker Isolators next to them,, For Cooker and Induction Hob,, Fed by 6mm and 10mm respectively.
There is a guideline stating cooker Isolators should be 2 meters from appliance,, but is only a recommendation,?!
I know the picture isn't an ideal way of Installation, but would it be acceptable? Is there anything wrong with it??
by the way, Fused spurs are for.. Fridge, Washing Machine, Dish Washer, Tumble Dryer, Extractor fan, Intergrated Microwave, and Heater in the kickboard plinth. Any feedback would be appreciated. thanks

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With all that switchgear it would have been no more work to install a sub-db and run all circs as radials from it - possibly located above this cupboard below coving (just as accessible when compared to a cupboard full of junk).
The other problem with 'hiding' switchgear in cupboards like this is that you are also concealing cable runs (re safe zones and diy drilling).

 

[Engineer54]

I had this "discussion" with a customer a while ago.

I wanted the switches above the worktop where they could be reached and she wanted them on the back wall of the cupboard underneath the worktop where they would be hard to get at "like the other electrician did".

I told her I'm not the other electrician.

Modern kitchen are now more like bloody showrooms than a homes domestic working area. Look nice, but can no longer function as a family kitchen should be able too. .....And if something or a switch/outlet stops working, or needs looking at, half the kitchen cabinets contents ends up on the kitchen floor.