Fused Spurs for Kitchen Appliances hidden in cupboard??

[sparkyjohn1]

Just wondering if anyone can shed any light on this Topic, as i have had conflicting opinions from a few sparks..
Is there any Regulations as to where fused spurs for appliances should be,, (ie, so far from each appliance..)?. I know they should be accessible and not obstructed.. I have fitted the 'grid switch system' before with 4 appliances fed from it. But recently came across this Installation,,, it has 7 fused spurs, and one single socket outlet.. Closer inspection, it was a ring, fed by 2 x 2.5 tails back to c/u 32 amp breaker.
Also Note the 2 cooker Isolators next to them,, For Cooker and Induction Hob,, Fed by 6mm and 10mm respectively.
There is a guideline stating cooker Isolators should be 2 meters from appliance,, but is only a recommendation,?!
I know the picture isn't an ideal way of Installation, but would it be acceptable? Is there anything wrong with it??
by the way, Fused spurs are for.. Fridge, Washing Machine, Dish Washer, Tumble Dryer, Extractor fan, Intergrated Microwave, and Heater in the kickboard plinth. Any feedback would be appreciated. thanks

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

8 Way grid switch tucked nicely in the corner. enough said.

 

[Silly Sausage]

Too make matters worse, all that gear appears to mounted on the sheet of hardboard that is the cupboard back.
There is definitely a large gap behind it all.

 

[ChrisElectrical88]

either that or its on one of those flimsy wobbley Rolf Harris style boards.

 

[R G]

either that or its on one of those flimsy wobbley Rolf Harris style boards.

Now don't mention Rolf will you,,,

 

[Brighton sparky]

Just wondering if anyone can shed any light on this Topic, as i have had conflicting opinions from a few sparks..
Is there any Regulations as to where fused spurs for appliances should be,, (ie, so far from each appliance..)?. I know they should be accessible and not obstructed.. I have fitted the 'grid switch system' before with 4 appliances fed from it. But recently came across this Installation,,, it has 7 fused spurs, and one single socket outlet.. Closer inspection, it was a ring, fed by 2 x 2.5 tails back to c/u 32 amp breaker.
Also Note the 2 cooker Isolators next to them,, For Cooker and Induction Hob,, Fed by 6mm and 10mm respectively.
There is a guideline stating cooker Isolators should be 2 meters from appliance,, but is only a recommendation,?!
I know the picture isn't an ideal way of Installation, but would it be acceptable? Is there anything wrong with it??
by the way, Fused spurs are for.. Fridge, Washing Machine, Dish Washer, Tumble Dryer, Extractor fan, Intergrated Microwave, and Heater in the kickboard plinth. Any feedback would be appreciated. thanks

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Building regs state that the control switches for the cooking appliances should be within 2 meters of the appliance.
Also by the looks of the photo all the switches are fitted in the cupboard they should be mounted on the building fabric that's B Regs as well 5.2.2 in the electricians guilde to building regs. Anyway it's not really going to be accessible after all the pots and pans get shoved in there and the switches etc could even get damaged. So not a good idea.

 

[Simlec]

Building regs state that the control switches for the cooking appliances should be within 2 meters of the appliance.
Also by the looks of the photo all the switches are fitted in the cupboard they should be mounted on the building fabric that's B Regs as well 5.2.2 in the electricians guilde to building regs. Anyway it's not really going to be accessible after all the pots and pans get shoved in there and the switches etc could even get damaged. So not a good idea.

Could you point me in the direction as to where that is stated. (Document and page please)

 

[telectrix]

and me.

 

[Geordie Spark]

Building regs state that the control switches for the cooking appliances should be within 2 meters of the appliance.
Also by the looks of the photo all the switches are fitted in the cupboard they should be mounted on the building fabric that's B Regs as well 5.2.2 in the electricians guilde to building regs. Anyway it's not really going to be accessible after all the pots and pans get shoved in there and the switches etc could even get damaged. So not a good idea.

I assume the two meters you are referring to are the gas meter and electric meter?

 

[Hawkmoon]

Building regs state that the control switches for the cooking appliances should be within 2 meters of the appliance.
Also by the looks of the photo all the switches are fitted in the cupboard they should be mounted on the building fabric that's B Regs as well 5.2.2 in the electricians guilde to building regs. Anyway it's not really going to be accessible after all the pots and pans get shoved in there and the switches etc could even get damaged. So not a good idea.

I also would be profusely enthused to witness said documentation...

Cough it up - doc & page

 

[Brighton sparky]

Could you point me in the direction as to where that is stated. (Document and page please)

Its in the electricians guide to the building regs
page 55 section 4.4 cooker circuits in household or similar premises and the other one as I said is in section 5.2.2 page 60 re accessories should be preferably mounted on the building fabric.

 

[snowhead]

Its in the electricians guide to the building regs
page 55 section 4.4 cooker circuits in household or similar premises and the other one as I said is in section 5.2.2 page 60 re accessories should be preferably mounted on the building fabric.

In the legal world, as meaningless as a marshmallow coffee percolator.

 

[Simlec]

Its in the electricians guide to the building regs
page 55 section 4.4 cooker circuits in household or similar premises and the other one as I said is in section 5.2.2 page 60 re accessories should be preferably mounted on the building fabric.

That is a guide!
Page 55 says RECOMMENDED ! not should be.
Page 60 says PREFERABLY ! not should be.

I was asking you to refer me to the actual documents not guides.

 

[Simlec]

I also love the diagram (Figure 5.2) on page 61 where it shows no switched spurs above work top for any of the built in appliances.

 

[Brighton sparky]

That is a guide!
Page 55 says RECOMMENDED ! not should be.
Page 60 says PREFERABLY ! not should be.

I was asking you to refer me to the actual documents not guides.

Yes you are right this is a guide and it is recommended and preferably, but this is what we should be doing or aiming for, it's not set in stone but if you want to ignore the guidance so be it, fine that's ok with me, but I prefer to try and stick to the guidelines if I can and so should we all.
I don't wish to get into petty arguments but guidelines are guidelines and law is law and BS is BS as well.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

christ what a ramble this lot has been....

you do whats compliant...and to the customers requirements

what i mean is if the customer whats outlets, FCUs etc in cupboards...then do so..

if they want means of control/isolation above worktop height...then do so..

it really is as simple as that....isnt it?