Fused Spurs for Kitchen Appliances hidden in cupboard??

[sparkyjohn1]

Just wondering if anyone can shed any light on this Topic, as i have had conflicting opinions from a few sparks..
Is there any Regulations as to where fused spurs for appliances should be,, (ie, so far from each appliance..)?. I know they should be accessible and not obstructed.. I have fitted the 'grid switch system' before with 4 appliances fed from it. But recently came across this Installation,,, it has 7 fused spurs, and one single socket outlet.. Closer inspection, it was a ring, fed by 2 x 2.5 tails back to c/u 32 amp breaker.
Also Note the 2 cooker Isolators next to them,, For Cooker and Induction Hob,, Fed by 6mm and 10mm respectively.
There is a guideline stating cooker Isolators should be 2 meters from appliance,, but is only a recommendation,?!
I know the picture isn't an ideal way of Installation, but would it be acceptable? Is there anything wrong with it??
by the way, Fused spurs are for.. Fridge, Washing Machine, Dish Washer, Tumble Dryer, Extractor fan, Intergrated Microwave, and Heater in the kickboard plinth. Any feedback would be appreciated. thanks

 

[Octopus]

Boring................

 

[overskilled]

like i said earlier...you do what the client requests as long as conformance is maintained...

Theres a difference between
1) giving the customer your professional opinion, explaining the reasons and giving examples, giving them the option (and preferentially pricing the better option) and then letting them decide what they want done once informed. Personally I think its the best way....makes it clear you know what your talking about, you've pointed out the potential issues and still given them the choice.

2) Refusing to do it, even it conforms - not good, fair enough if it doesn't

3) Doing just what the customer asks...can be happy customer, but at the same time if one of their friends / family tells them it could be a hazard...cue the furious phone call "why didn't you tell me this could be dangerous?!?!"

 

[HandySparks]

Well this happened 2 doors away from where I used to live and to be honest I think the wifey was in such a flap it wouldn't have mattered if the isolator was stuck in her hand - she still wouldn't have switched it off.

And that's the thing .... you can have as many isolators as you like put wherever you like but when things go wrong how many wifeys have the presence of mind to use them?? .......... or gadgees come to that - especially "modern day" gadgees who fill their pants whenever a car backfires.

I don't even have the presence of mind to use some of the odd tools in my van; mostly because I've forgotten all about them. Which I guess is the reason for fire practices. If you don't use something from one year to the next, you probably won't when under pressure. Quite a few customers have to think pretty hard before telling me where the fusebox or main stopcock is.

 

[overskilled]

I agree fully with Eng (heck even the Mrs does...) Isolators should be above the worktop, clearly visible and accessible, otherwise its form over function.
Customer's employ electricians for our technical knowledge...if something is a stupid idea...they should be politely told this...notjust blindly give them what they want without pointing out the downsides and informing them of the "proper" way to do things...especially on properties that are to be rented out / resold.

 

[Geordie Spark]

I don't even have the presence of mind to use some of the odd tools in my van; mostly because I've forgotten all about them. Which I guess is the reason for fire practices. If you don't use something from one year to the next, you probably won't when under pressure. Quite a few customers have to think pretty hard before telling me where the fusebox or main stopcock is.

i can think of a certain young lady who this applies to :biggrin5:

 

[Silly Sausage]

i can think of a certain young lady who this applies to :biggrin5:

When did you meet my lesser half?

 

[GLENNSPARK]

Theres a difference between
1) giving the customer your professional opinion, explaining the reasons and giving examples, giving them the option (and preferentially pricing the better option) and then letting them decide what they want done once informed. Personally I think its the best way....makes it clear you know what your talking about, you've pointed out the potential issues and still given them the choice.

2) Refusing to do it, even it conforms - not good, fair enough if it doesn't

3) Doing just what the customer asks...can be happy customer, but at the same time if one of their friends / family tells them it could be a hazard...cue the furious phone call "why didn't you tell me this could be dangerous?!?!"

i know all about pointing out potential hazards...and non-compliances etc....

 

[tidyboiler]

i can think of a certain young lady who this applies to :biggrin5:

Are you incinerating I don't know where my stopcock is? :dita:

 

[Geordie Spark]

Are you incinerating I don't know where my stopcock is? :dita:

As long as you haven't forgotten where mine is pet ..........

 

[Silly Sausage]

As long as you haven't forgotten where mine is pet ..........

She probably knows how to stopyourcock!

 

[Geordie Spark]

She probably knows how to stopyourcock!

She knows how to turn me on & that's all that matters

 

[HandySparks]

I did wonder whether things would go adrift when I posted. Still it is Friday night.

 

[overskilled]

i know all about pointing out potential hazards...and non-compliances etc....

who pee'd in your porridge?
or not getting your "oats"? ;-)

 

[tidyboiler]

She knows how to turn me on & that's all that matters

I know where your fusebox is.............. :ihih:

 

[Silly Sausage]

I know where your fusebox is.............. :ihih:

Don't overload him.