gas and water bonding?

[byrnie_2004]

hi, i'm signing off a job that another electrician has done, he said he was part p registered to the customer but wasnt so couldnt sign it off. I'm just about to join elecsa but am unsure on a bonding issue about this job - the bonding has been done in 10mm to gas and water but isn't at the stop tap or gas meter (its on the pipework further along).
its new bonding, just wondering is it acceptable to get a R2 reading and hopefully it will be below 0.05ohms?

 

[malcolmsanford]

Not wanting to sound funny but why are you signing off someone else's work, is this an EIC or are you doing a PIR for the client.

Regulation 544.1.2 is another in the Regs that is open to interpretation and designer leeway by using either "preferable" or 'practicable" in it, in this case the later. So as longs as it is before a branch which is the real important part of the reg then it is ok.

The 0.05 is just really a guide as an EIC and a PIR will just ask you to confirm continuity by a tick rather than a value, so if you can't see the whole distance of the conductor you could do the R2 test to confirm it.

 

[Sintra]

I would advice you against doing an EIC for this as you haven't done the work and therefore are unable to verify installation methods, design etc. The only ways round this are to issue a PIR or a 3 signature EIC were the designer, installer and the inspector all sign for there own part.

IMO don't touch.

 

[IQ Electrical]

I would advice you against doing an EIC for this as you haven't done the work and therefore are unable to verify installation methods, design etc. The only ways round this are to issue a PIR or a 3 signature EIC were the designer, installer and the inspector all sign for there own part.

IMO don't touch.

It's this terminology thing again, by 'signing off', do you mean you're signing the inspecting & testing section of a 3-signature EIC?

Or, are you notifying this work as your own to Building Control through your scheme provider?

If the latter then Sintra is spot on, walk away....

 

[ezzzekiel]

considering you havent yet joined a scheme then you are in no position to sign it off anyway never mind that its not even your own work.

 

[tony mc]

IMO if you contact Elecsa they will tell you same.

 

[byrnie_2004]

the customer requires some work from me, ezzzekiel this will be in about 2 weeks by that time i will be registered with elecsa. If i were to just carry out this work it would be just a minor works as there is just some alterations to be done, but the "other spark" has changed the CU and done the protective bonding etc just not signed it off, it actually from a quick inspection looks like he's done everything by the book, the customer wants everything certificating. i was thinking would an EIC cover this then, and what about the bonding thing? R2 reading of 0.05 or under?

 

[tony mc]

If your doing work on a cct and not adding one then a MEIWC can be issued for the work you are carrying out.
As far as the consumer unit change that requires a EIC and both schedule of inspection and test results.
Elecsa will not let you do this after another person has performed the notifiable work it would need a PIR on your behalf but that is not notifiable.
The customer should have notified LABC prior to the work being carried out.
As for your bonding question Malcom has answered that in full.
Hope this helps

 

[ezzzekiel]

well personally (unless i know the spark) i would not sign off someone elses work, possibly a mic for your part and complete a pir for the other sparks works,

alternatively complete a eic and take full responsability yourself.

 

[byrnie_2004]

yeh thats all i was wondering really how to work it, think the mic for my work then a pir for the whole installation as im not to sure on the extent of the work he carried out around the property. as for the gas bonding i think there is a branch before the bonding clamp, i'll renew this though as the gas meters being moved anyway.
cheers for all your help, just in the middle of setting up on my own so i want to make sure i do it all right and start as i mean to go on.

 

[saabuldin]

We never sign of but we had a regular customer who was stuck and needed a full installation certificate for a kitchen extension some guy did. It was only small and they were good people so what we had to do was check every single part of the install. Thats going in the loft to see how the wiring was done. Opening every single point there was in the extension. Vigorous testing. Obviously it all comes at a PRICE.

 

[IQ Electrical]

Most LABC's will accept a PIR from a member of a competent persons scheme .

The wonderful term 'regularisation' is then applied, it's like a retrospective Part P notification process.

Worth checking with your local LABC though.

I still wouldn't issue any certification other than a PIR or the 'testing & inspection' section on a 3-part EIC on someone else's installation, no matter how 'vigorous' the testing.