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Observations on your last post...


1/. You don't seem to be 100% sure of your actual power requirement to size these generators at the moment. How have you calculated or reached a value of 2500A?? (I can run a fully air conditioned smallish hospital on that type of requirement...lol!!!) Have you clamped to check your actual current draw?? Even if you don't have an amp clamp capable of reading the the possible full current, you can sub-divide and add the readings to give you a clearer picture... What are the present generators showing on the integral amp meter(s)??

2/. When you say, will be just ticking over with a few staff needs, what do you mean by this?? You cannot have say a 800 KVA or larger generator ticking over providing a minuscule load for 11 months of the year, so you will need to supply a suitably rated twin gen-set (you will need to cycle between two gen-sets to cover maintenance/duty restrictions/ breakdowns etc etc) which will cater purely for these few staff needs. Will the two buildings still require large power requirement for the remainder of the year?? If not, but still require some power but at much lower levels, then you are definitely going to need load banks. That, or increase the size of the Staff's twin gen-set, to also run these two buildings during the 11 months tick over period.

3/. Not sure what you mean by 220V/50Hz is that 3 phase voltage or single phase voltage?? Surely you wouldn't need 2 phases (first post) unless this is a Yankee set-up, with a 3 wire single phase transformer supplying 115/120V-220V to the staff area...

Perhaps it would be helpful to let us know what sort of installation this is?? Seems awfully strange that whatever it is, only runs for 30 days out of a year??

Tony is a retired industrial Engineer, and ''IS'' his user name. But he won't be able to help any more than i can, without a lot more information from you....
 
Hello,
Maybe I wasn't clear enough of things so I will try and explain.

1) The is an island, which is got several buildings on it right now and some more being built. I would class these buildings as huge, because they are 70m x 30m and probably 20m tall.

The AC in one building, has been priced up using Toshiba units. Each CU outside is rated at MCA 62A and MOCP 80A there are 9 of these units. The cassettes are rated at MCA 1A and MOCP 15A - there are 50 of these.

We then have about 15 or so 3phase water heaters, 3 phase water pumps, plus then all the single phase items such as 10 fridges, and other appliances.

The second building, is of the same size but using about 70% of the above specs.

I hope to load the current generators up over the next week, to get a load on the current built houses. Right now there are no Sync Switches, so they change between a 120kVA, 130kVA and have 2 160kVA (from what I have been told, but there are no specs available at hand).


2) So the idea of having a smaller generator to run essentials while people are on the island is what is needed, and when his friends come over, they need enough power to run everything. The owner, visits the island maybe once a month for a couple of days then he is gone. But over periods like Xmas and such, he will invite people over and that would be the only time that maximum demand is needed.

The 2 buildings will need to be run and tested all the time, to make sure things are working and to "lube" the system so things are working all the time, rather than not using it for 6 months then finding it stopped working. So yes, they will be switching gens etc.

3) Sorry about the confusion, Here in Thailand, its - 400V/50hZ 3 phase - 220V/50hZ 1 phase - pretty much like Europe.

It literally is a persons "fun island". I originally got involved to fix the problems they have already which is mainly what I do. Earthing, making things safe and just general electrics plus my Lighting ideas/products.

Maybe I will try and convince them to fly you out here and sort out there needs, as my knowledge on this is not too much as you can tell.

regards

B90
 
Unfortunately i have my own project to look after over here, otherwise i may well have been interested in a short but intensive trip to Thailand ...lol!!!

You can always PM Tony to see if he is interested, he'll certainly be able to sort out your loadings and overall requirements for your project. Plus he's single, so a trip to Thailand is a bonus in itself!! lol!!!

Failing that, contact FG Wilson or other respected generator manufacturer and ask for their rates to send a survey Engineer to assess your requirements and to give you alternative schemes and costings etc....

As it stands, apart from what i've already advised, it is going to be almost impossible to accurately help you to a satisfactory degree in assessing your overall power requirements and advising on generator schemes over the internet.
You really do need someone physically on site, to assess first hand your present installations and to give qualified advise on how to improve/modify them, for your intended upgrade system needs....
 
I have sent 4 messages now to FG Wilson with 0 replies, using their Online Contact form...

Does anyone have a direct email to them? Also their partners here in Thailand have not responded either.

regards,
 
Here's a couple of Telephone numbers, I'm sure you should get an answer from one of these. Ask for there email address during the call/fax as they don't seem to be advertising on there web sites, so can only email via there web enquiry form.

If you get no luck with them, (which i find strange in the present economic climate) there are plenty of other generator supply companies that can help you...



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FG Wilson Ltd
1 Millennium Way
Springvale Business Park
BELFAST
Co. Antrim
N. Ireland
BT12 7AL
Tel. +44 (0) 28 9049 5000
Fax. +44 (0) 28 2826 1111
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Old Glenarm Road
Larne
Co. Antrim
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