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Happy xmas lads and lasses hope you all had a good day yesterday.The last twojobs i have been to were p.m.e i was expecting them to be TT as they were out out in the sticks. now on the earth terminal was a lable saying pme which am i right for thinking the translates to protective multiple earth? but the label said warning conntact is needed with the supplier before work is carried out why is this? luckily i was changing like for likes so i was nt taken to much back by this. But now if i was asked to re wire the house for instance, how does pme affect things,is there an easy explanation to what pme is and is there anything important to know about pme or hints and tips for working with it? Many thanks Ben
 
Happy xmas lads and lasses hope you all had a good day yesterday.The last twojobs i have been to were p.m.e i was expecting them to be TT as they were out out in the sticks. now on the earth terminal was a lable saying pme which am i right for thinking the translates to protective multiple earth? but the label said warning conntact is needed with the supplier before work is carried out why is this? luckily i was changing like for likes so i was nt taken to much back by this. But now if i was asked to re wire the house for instance, how does pme affect things,is there an easy explanation to what pme is and is there anything important to know about pme or hints and tips for working with it? Many thanks Ben

There's a fairly easy explanation of what PME is at the start of the OSG.

I have to be honest - I'm a little surprised to see a question like this from someone who's potentially re-wiring houses. This is basic, basic knowledge.

What qualifications have you got?
 
I thought myself it was tn c s but had never had anything explained to me to be honest and have never came across that type of labeling myself untill now.
nvq level 3,17th edition and 2391.
its down to training everybody gets trained up differrent and if in doubt you give somebody a shout which is what i have done!
i,anybody or any employer as ever had a problem with my work rewire ing a house is on the smaller scale of jobs ive done, now me personly thinks its better for someone to look a little daft like i just have, instead of not saying nothing and thinking they no anything and get on with the job because we all know thats dangerous! Thanks.
 
I thought myself it was tn c s but had never had anything explained to me to be honest and have never came across that type of labeling myself untill now.
nvq level 3,17th edition and 2391.
its down to training everybody gets trained up differrent and if in doubt you give somebody a shout which is what i have done!
i,anybody or any employer as ever had a problem with my work rewire ing a house is on the smaller scale of jobs ive done, now me personly thinks its better for someone to look a little daft like i just have, instead of not saying nothing and thinking they no anything and get on with the job because we all know thats dangerous! Thanks.

I'm with Bill here, are you seriously saying you've passed your 2391-10 and don't know what a PME system entails?

You need, as a priority, to read the on-site guide as an abolute minimum to familiarise yourself with system types and requirements, clients are paying for your expertise!
 
I thought myself it was tn c s but had never had anything explained to me to be honest and have never came across that type of labeling myself untill now.
nvq level 3,17th edition and 2391.
its down to training everybody gets trained up differrent and if in doubt you give somebody a shout which is what i have done!
i,anybody or any employer as ever had a problem with my work rewire ing a house is on the smaller scale of jobs ive done, now me personly thinks its better for someone to look a little daft like i just have, instead of not saying nothing and thinking they no anything and get on with the job because we all know thats dangerous! Thanks.

Yeas, mate - I wasn't knocking you - just puzzled, because it's fairly fundamental stuff and there have been a few questions of this nature lately from allegedly qualified sparks, pretending knowledge they clearly didn't have.

And ALWAYS, the right thing to do is Ask, if you're unsure. Always. I won't ever knock a guy for being unsure and confirming something - I just needed to clarify for myself that I wasn't giving advice to someone to go kill themselves with, if you see what I mean.

TN-C-S is effectively the delivery method for PME, which is as you said, Protective Multiple Earthing. Strictly, this applies to the distributor's side of things, and not the customer side, and essentially, what it does is bond the neutral to earth at several points along the way from the sub to the supply head.

The labeling - should refer to the DNO side of the installation - but the notice may be there if it was TT previously, because there *may* be some changes required - particularly in the area of bonding, where the figures are likely to change quite a bit. It may uncover faults to earth which weren't apparent before.

From the customer point of view, PME doesn't necessarily mean changes, though, IMO - it is a good idea to carry out a full PIR when the method of supply is changed, to confirm the installation still meets the requirements of BS 7671.
 
have a look here
should show the different earthing diagrams and make it a bit easier. the trouble is with learning and being tought is that your only as good as the person teaching you. i was lucky in the first year to have a great tutor and learnt loads. if we had have had the guys from the 2nd or 3rd year teaching us throughout the course i would hate to think how little we would have known. the c and g courses at our college in the 2nd and 3rd years were geared up for pass rates rather than knowledge
 
i didnt say you both werent right, i use this forum for help my on site guide and regs are in my frozen cold van outside, im inside sat by the fire with a spare 10mins or so it was easier to ask on here than go outside, wish i never bothered asking now.ill go get some advice out my regs or on site guide next time.
 
You don't need to apologise, this is a great forum and a mine of information but there's no substitute for getting the basics in your head as a foundation, for your own protection as well as your clients.

I think we're all tired now! :)
 

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