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Dave0098

Im a qualified electrician, i work for an industrial company as maintenance for the plant. My next door neighbour has a friend which is going to be opening a shop which does catering, buffets and stuff. they have asked me if i will do the electrical work, they want:-

2 x 30Amp cooker supply
1x 30Amp ring main
new consumer unit

from my understanding if i were to be doing this work in a dwelling e.g house i would need to notify building regulations and then get my work certified and tested. Im not part of any self certify organisation as its not worth me paying for this with the amount of work i do, as i only really help out friends when they are stuck.

how does this apply to a shop? will i still need to notify building regulations and have my work certified? and if so, do i need to have my work inspected at each fix?

cheers Dave
 
i think you can just go ahead and do the work because its comercial
then if you/they want download or buy an installation cirt and fill it in as anyone "competent" can test

someone will correct me or agree soon i suspect
 
thanx for your replys, like myself i think you both are not 100% certain as to exactly where Part P & self certify apply.

it would be a great help if someone who has experience in this kind of work would be able to give a accurate answer.

still thanx for your speedy replys!!!

cheers Dave
 
You DO NOT need to notify any work in a commercial or an industrial situation,

Part P ONLY applies to residential dwellings ie houses, flats etc.

You do however, need to carry out testing and certification as per bs7671.
 
Part p applies to special locations ie in a bathroom, kitchen etc only. You can put as many additional sockets, lights etc in non special locations ie living room, bedroom etc.
Part p also applies all new circuits and change of fuse boards, but is for domestic installations only, it has nothing to do with commercial and industrial installations.
For your installation you don't have to inform building control, you don't even have to do certification however I would just in case anything goes wrong in the future, you can buy certificates from your local wholesaler. Hope this is of some good to you
 
I agree with the guy s above but get them to check the load of what there putting iin ,it doesn't sound alot for a commercial kitchen and I dont think you can use diversity for the cookers
 
Does this apply to work carried out in schools and college (ie is this classed as commercial)

I am not registered with a bodie as yet and only just looking at setting everything up. So trying to obtain all the information now.

What costs are involved with using building control to sign off work for domestic and generally what is the process you take if you were to use them. At what stages do you call them and so on.
 
im not 100% sure but i think they have to see the job through its stages ie, first fix, second fix. then i think some1 would come in and test the installation or what uve done and provide a cert.

can some1 give this fello an accurate answer im just going off what i think is right but like i said im not 100% sure.

Dave
 
I think part P will apply if there is a flat above that shares its supply with the shop, otherwise it does not come under part P
 
Part P Requirements

Most people above seem to have it more or less correct:

Part P notification applies to
Dwelling houses and flats
Dwellings and business premises that have a common supply eg shops and pusbs
that have a flat above
Common areas and shared amenities of flats
{Notes to The Requirements - Part P}

Work that does not require notification comprises:
Replacement of existing accessories and their enclosures, and the cable of a single circuit
Providing mechanical protection to existing fixed installations.
In addition, provided they are not in a special location (including kitchen or bathroom)
Add lights and light switchesto existing circuits provided they are NOT ELV (12volt) installations
Add sockets and Fused Spurs to existing ring or radial circuits
(Note this excludes adding sockets to exuisting spurs)
Add/upgrade equipotential bonding
{Table 1 of Part P}

All other work in notifiable premises requires notification, including installation of new ciorcuits.

It must be demonstrated that none notifiable work is complient with BS7671, normally to do this the work must be inspected by a "compatent person" and a Minor Electrical Works Installation Certificate issued. The "compatent person " need NOT be registered with a self certification scheme.
{Part P para 0.8bii}

The definition of a "compatent person" is a person who possesses sufficient technical knowledge, relevant practical skills and experiance for the nature of the electrixcal work undertaken and is able at all times to prevent danger and where appropriate injury to him/herself and others. {BS7671 Section 2}

It is not necessary for the compatent person to be registered to generate a MEIWC for none notifiable work. {Part P para 0.8bi}

Note however that completion of a MEIWC requires essential measurements to be taken, and this will require measurement of continuiety, insulation measurement , earth fault loop impedance and RCD parameters where an RCD is fitted. this will be commonplace for a competent person who will normally have, or have access to, the equipment needed to take the measurtements, eg an electician undertaking the inspection other than as a part of his normal employment.

NONE PART P ASPECTS

If the shop does not have a flat or other dwelling accomodation attached, or has its own supply, then the work will not be notifiable under Part P. However, your neighbours friend should check if such institutions as the local building control or his insurance company will require an Electrical Installation Certificate, if so they will certainly require it be issued by a registered electrician.

On other points, you list the circuits as 3x30A (which will in fact be 3x32A). Commercial cookers may well exceed the 7.3kW limit for a 32A circuit so this would need to be checked first (domestic cooker have hobs of 6 - 7kW). Also at these power levels you will need to check that voltage drop is within limits. Conversly if the cooker only has an oven these tend to be lower power typically only 2-3 kW so may only need a 20A radial.

Somebody above mentioned Diversity. It IS applicable to commercial appliances . 100fl for first cooker and 75%fl for the additional cooker (On Site Guide app 1 Table 1B ) but this of course only applies to the tails and the total installation load calculation. To be honest I don't know how you add circuits under different clauses of Table 1b so I'm not sure if the ring (as per line 9) would count 100% as the only circuit, or 50% as per "every other circuit" .
 
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