how much per point?

[green00]

Hi im a newbie to here and was hoping someone could help me with pricing of jobs do you sparks still use the £?? per point method supply and fit or add up materials and then the labour,
the reason i ask is that i have just priced a new build @£50 per point + extra for DB & test + extra for heating and the builder has asked for a labour only price as he wants to supply the gear and i not sure what to charge .... I was thinking £25 per point labour only

anyone got any views would be much appeciated

 

[mayfair]

http://www.electriciansforums.net/business-related/37430-pricing-per-point.html#post319180

 

[1shortcircuit]

http://www.electriciansforums.net/business-related/37430-pricing-per-point.html#post319180

You beat me, must have been that break you took. It's made you lighter on your finger tips

 

[claret73]

I'm not 'Fully Business making a Profit' self employed, just CIS Labour, but I think I'd go with working out the price per point and time expected to take, against your day rate. Go with the better option to yourself. Would also be inclined to see what S***E! (Errr I mean quality) the Builder is buying. Just had a Screwfix Catalogue drop & you can buy 'All you need accessories' for £40!!!!!

 

[Octopus]

I'd be careful agreeing that the builder be responsible for supplying all the parts - what if its faulty, poor quality or simply not there when you need it???

 

[1shortcircuit]

I was thinking £25 per point labour only

If they want to supply all the materials then would you not be better off working out a "Price" based on how long you think it will take you?

I'm interested to know more about this "Per point" method. Would anyone mind explaining exactly what you are including please? Without causing a thread hi-jack obviously

:thumbsup

 

[IQ Electrical]

Hi im a newbie to here and was hoping someone could help me with pricing of jobs do you sparks still use the £?? per point method supply and fit or add up materials and then the labour,
the reason i ask is that i have just priced a new build @£50 per point + extra for DB & test + extra for heating and the builder has asked for a labour only price as he wants to supply the gear and i not sure what to charge .... I was thinking £25 per point labour only

anyone got any views would be much appeciated

So you sacrifice your profit margin on materials and have the extra hassell of sorting out the materials lists (because he's a builder) and sorting out the incorrect stuff that he orders without consulting you on the finer details.......

Depending on how busy you are, I'd be going in quite high on the labour, maybe he'll reconsider the idea!

 

[Octopus]

oh and don't forget that "most" builders will want to cut corners too!

 

[green00]

I'd be careful agreeing that the builder be responsible for supplying all the parts - what if its faulty, poor quality or simply not there when you need it???

this should not be an issue as i will be ordering through his account

 

[green00]

So you sacrifice your profit margin on materials and have the extra hassell of sorting out the materials lists (because he's a builder) and sorting out the incorrect stuff that he orders without consulting you on the finer details.......

Depending on how busy you are, I'd be going in quite high on the labour, maybe he'll reconsider the idea!

i not very busy at the moment IQ so need the work and it will be me who is ordering the gear and its a big house with lots of LED downlighters(119) total points is 233 and i not VAT registered so he can claim all the VAT back

 

[1shortcircuit]

"most" builders will want to cut corners too!

Like forgetting to pay for LABOUR charges :cowboy:

 

[green00]

If they want to supply all the materials then would you not be better off working out a "Price" based on how long you think it will take you?

I'm interested to know more about this "Per point" method. Would anyone mind explaining exactly what you are including please? Without causing a thread hi-jack obviously

:thumbsup

I count everything sockets ,lights,switches, cooker = 2, extract fans and isolaters, TV points then x £50 .... for me it works and is pretty quick

 

[Octopus]

this should not be an issue as i will be ordering through his account

So when you're pricing it up allow for the hassle then, if you're not going to be able to make any dosh on the parts you will need some "extra" somewhere along the lines.

It could work well, but I would still be wary

 

[Lucas]

If they want to supply all the materials then would you not be better off working out a "Price" based on how long you think it will take you?

I'm interested to know more about this "Per point" method. Would anyone mind explaining exactly what you are including please? Without causing a thread hi-jack obviously

:thumbsup

Price per point lumps everything together. I find it the most accurate way to price domestically. 1 socket is £50, light switch is £50 etc etc. It covers the cost of your labour, materials (Little things that go un noticed: Screw's, Plug's, Clip's, Washer's etc) like Cable, Backboxe's and Accesoires plus all your petrol, Insurances etc etc.

Looking at your price though it's well cheap! £25 a point? That mean's you've got to get a minimum of 12 point's done a day to make your £150 a day. That's going some aswell. In that time you have to chop out 10 boxes, drill through your joists, clip your cables, cap over them etc. And is the builder really going to supply you with all screws, plugs and washers? the little things like that are costing YOU money to use. You should go in a bit higher, say £30-£35

 

[1shortcircuit]

Price per point lumps everything together. I find it the most accurate way to price domestically. 1 socket is £50, light switch is £50 etc etc. It covers the cost of your labour, materials (Little things that go un noticed: Screw's, Plug's, Clip's, Washer's etc) like Cable, Backboxe's and Accesoires plus all your petrol, Insurances etc etc

Brilliant, Thank You very much :thumbsup

 

[Paul.M]

Price per point lumps everything together. I find it the most accurate way to price domestically. 1 socket is £50, light switch is £50 etc etc. It covers the cost of your labour, materials (Little things that go un noticed: Screw's, Plug's, Clip's, Washer's etc) like Cable, Backboxe's and Accesoires plus all your petrol, Insurances etc etc.Looking at your price though it's well cheap! £25 a point? That mean's you've got to get a minimum of 12 point's done a day to make your £150 a day. That's going some aswell. In that time you have to chop out 10 boxes, drill through your joists, clip your cables, cap over them etc. And is the builder really going to supply you with all screws, plugs and washers? the little things like that are costing YOU money to use. You should go in a bit higher, say £30-£35

Lucas you are spot on. All those little extras that we don't really charge for all add up at the end of the year, just look through your end of year accounts (if you have any) and when you've worked out all these little bits and bats has cost you near on a grand, then you'll start thinking about it more.

 

[Octopus]

Lucas you are spot on. All those little extras that we don't really charge for all add up at the end of the year, just look through your end of year accounts (if you have any) and when you've worked out all these little bits and bats has cost you near on a grand, then you'll start thinking about it more.

Precisely whatI do, when costing each job I include a line of consumables and take a view. Minimum its £1.00, max could be £20.

As Paul M says, it all adds up and you need to ensure that you cover all your costs and more!

 

[Voltimax]

I'd go by breaking down the point into labour and materials, that's the way I work and was taught. I prefer it that way because I can see exactly what my materials will cost and what profit I'm making on them and I can see exactly how long I'm allowing for the job labour wise.

As a general rule of thumb it's an hour per point on new build, 1.5hrs empty rewire and 2 hours lived in. That's worked for me over the last 11 years.

 

[1shortcircuit]

As a general rule of thumb it's an hour per point on new build, 1.5hrs empty rewire and 2 hours lived in. That's worked for me over the last 11 years.

Do you then add extra time on for points such as shower, cooker, consumer unit and testing? or would testing already have been taken into account in the price per point?

I guess both of these methods develop over time and the more experience gained the more accurate and realistic the method becomes.

Great posts in here :thumbsup

 

[Voltimax]

I would add a separate labour allowance for a consumer unit and would most likely use the amount of MCB ways to get to this. I don't make special allowances for showers and cookers, other than classing the connection at the consumer unit as a point. So on a new build a shower would be 3 hours. The shower connection itself, the pull switch and the connection at the consumer unit. This would include testing of the circuit.

You have to bear in mind, that this kind of pricing will only work if there is a good mix of various points. So if it was an extension and was heavy on sockets, you might lose out, however if it's heavy on lights, you might be too expensive. End of the day you have to use judgement and experience. My method just gets you a figure very quickly.

 

[green00]

thanks to u all for your thoughts on this