I could be wrong posting here but i need help

[imjustanonymous]

Dear All,

Newbie here, not sure if this forum is for those who specifically electricians only or if general people can join for help and advice, so im taking a shot here, if this is the wrong website then please let me know and ill just copy and paste it there or wherever is appropriate

I need help as im in a dispute with someone who i hired to fit an electrical shower. Me and my family live in a housing association house who were East Homes but now are L&Q. In 2016 i started looking for a trader to help fit this shower for me, through word of mouth i came across someone who was hired by a family friend to do some painting job even though he says hes like an all rounder person. He came to view the house and where we wanted the shower and advised etc He said he would take on the job, i wasnt around home at the time due to university and my mum was when the actual works were being done, he did this around Mid 2016. He charged about £400, no proper contract or receipt given. He also had brought in another electrician to actually certify the work and to make it go live, have a copy of this certificate also. Managed to find out this electrician was with the NIC and Napit but no longer is since 2015

The work wasnt good, the conduit pipings he fitted started to fall off from the walls and tape also, he did this around the front main door and i kept having to fix them, he made some holes which werent correct and never repaired them, he left a breaker box not screwed down properly either, contacted him to try and fix this and he said he would come round but never came, after many calls to him and no answer, i gave up and did my diy of the conduit pipes but not the breaker box.

Fast forward to late 2018, L&Q came for a random inspection and basically saw the work and complained for health and safety and complained about the holes etc and basicaly disconnected the shower, we have been out of the shower since around November of last year. The L&Q electrician came and saw this and then went to the person who i hired, to his house left him a note about his work and there was some words between the two exchanged. The person i hired came round instantly said that his work is immaculate and nothings wrong with it. We said that we he needs to fix what the landlord said and he said he would after christmas, now its 2019 and April is almost ending and still nothing.

He came around in the end of February and said that he will charge more for having the conduits fixed, L&Q said he needed to have put metal brackets which he didnt and some exposed wire and to correct the amp also. He said all this costs extra money, i said surely not because he shouldve known this. He then said to me that all this about metal brackets on conduit pipes has only come in the new regulation of 2019 and when he did the work in 2016 it didnt matter he also gave an example of Grenfell to me. He also said id have to pay another electrician to get this certified

What i need to know is this:

Is he right about the regulation for 2019 where all conduit pipes need to have brackets which are near fire exit routes?

Do i have to pay more? I mean shouldnt have offer something

Where can i go to report him and get this work done because isnt listening to me and is adamant that he will only do more work for more money

I can provide pictures of the job but im not sure if this could be the right website, if this is then let me know please and i will because its been so long to get this sorted out, im busy with university and my mums busy with hospital runs with my sister

Any advice or information will be appreciated

Thanks

 

[john waters]

Pictures are here, i have put a space between the letter S and :

IMG-20190416-WA0008 - https://ibb.co/dMnxxw8
IMG-20190416-WA0009 - https://ibb.co/nnjHBSv
IMG-20190416-WA0012 - https://ibb.co/ZYjGsSV
IMG-20190416-WA0013 - https://ibb.co/bbyfmtF
IMG-20190416-WA0014 - https://ibb.co/s2wcbbC
IMG-20190416-WA0015 - https://ibb.co/0VM3ytW
IMG-20190416-WA0016 - https://ibb.co/KXZ2ZYv
IMG-20190416-WA0018 - https://ibb.co/Z619w1T
IMG-20190416-WA0019 - https://ibb.co/BVZRg88
IMG-20190416-WA0020 - https://ibb.co/mTWrnk0
IMG-20190416-WA0021 - https://ibb.co/j6qFYXX
IMG-20190416-WA0022 - https://ibb.co/SvK1HfC
IMG-20190416-WA0023 - https://ibb.co/VxDpt2f
IMG-20190416-WA0024 - https://ibb.co/6rYGXV4
IMG-20190416-WA0025 - https://ibb.co/zmTrNDq

did he tie his horse up outside

 

[imjustanonymous]

Back to basics on this whole post. Lesson learnt I'm afraid to say. Get a qualified spark in and demand to see his qualifications etc if you're not sure. Let the spark decide what can be saved and what needs removing. Get him to certify it (not someone else). Then let others know about the "handy man" and not to use him for electrical work. The guy that signed his work off and certified it needs to be mentioned as well as he has no right to self certify due to him not being a member of any scheme. I would think the NIC or Nappit or whoever would not take lightly to someone using their certificates when they are no longer a member. They would probably pursue him for you and give him a good rogering!

I have spoken to the guy that signed off the work, he said he doesnt remember it, doesnt want to come round to see it, and in the end he said it will have nothing to do with him as he didnt actually do the installation. Since he is no longer a member of any of the bodies, nothing can be done to him because his last membership was with Scoma i believe in 2015 and the job was done in 2016

On the certificate he gave to me, there was no mention or logo of the bodies but the certificate looked odd

 

[imjustanonymous]

Back to basics on this whole post. Lesson learnt I'm afraid to say. Get a qualified spark in and demand to see his qualifications etc if you're not sure. Let the spark decide what can be saved and what needs removing. Get him to certify it (not someone else). Then let others know about the "handy man" and not to use him for electrical work. The guy that signed his work off and certified it needs to be mentioned as well as he has no right to self certify due to him not being a member of any scheme. I would think the NIC or Nappit or whoever would not take lightly to someone using their certificates when they are no longer a member. They would probably pursue him for you and give him a good rogering!

I have spoken to the guy that signed off the work, he said he doesnt remember it, doesnt want to come round to see it, and in the end he said it will have nothing to do with him as he didnt actually do the installation. Since he is no longer a member of any of the bodies, nothing can be done to him because his last membership was with Scoma i believe in 2015 and the job was done in 2016

On the certificate he gave to me, there was no mention or logo of the bodies but the certificate looked odd

 

[DPG]

You don't want these guys back. You need a proper electrician who do the work and give you a certificate.

 

[imjustanonymous]

I feel sorry for you, this is an abortion of a job.

It would be quicker to list the things that are right about it than wrong simply because in those picture I saw nothing done correctly.

You do not want this man back to make good as he does not know what is good.

Would there be any to retrieve money back from him or for him to get someone on his behalf to fix this? I agree with the quality of a job being so poor, said to everyone i get its my mistake but he was referred, i just thought it would have been principle for him to rectify this all

 

[imjustanonymous]

Cut your losses and get someone new in to rip it out and redo it. It's a shame you've had to go through this though.

Cant even imagine how much and how long that would take for it to be done

 

[DPG]

Cant even imagine how much and how long that would take for it to be done

The job should not take long.

 

[GBDamo]

Wouldnt it be principle for him to fix what he messed up?

The independent report would contain all the mistakes that have happened correct? Where would i get legal action from for this?

Would there be any to retrieve money back from him or for him to get someone on his behalf to fix this? I agree with the quality of a job being so poor, said to everyone i get its my mistake but he was referred, i just thought it would have been principle for him to rectify this all

I would normally agree but this guy is so totally and utterly incompetent, unsafely so.

You can give him a detailed list of faults but he doesn't posses the skills or knowledge to remedy them correctly.

Contractually, and very begrudgingly, I'd offer him the opportunity to hire someone competent to do the work stating in the letter your belief he is not competent, attach your list of faults from your LLs assessor.

Then you could try Money Claim On Line but that process will insist you have given him opportunity to put this right.

Sadly you wont see a penny back from him, nor will he pay for the job to be corrected. Unfortunately the cost of other routes to recovery are prohibitive.

 

[imjustanonymous]

did he tie his horse up outside

He so did

 

[imjustanonymous]

I would normally agree but this guy is so totally and utterly incompetent, unsafely so.

You can give him a detailed list of faults but he doesn't posses the skills or knowledge to remedy them correctly.

Contractually, and very begrudgingly, I'd offer him the opportunity to hire someone competent to do the work stating in the letter your belief he is not competent, attach your list of faults from your LLs assessor.

Then you could try Money Claim On Line but that process will insist you have given him opportunity to put this right.

Sadly you wont see a penny back from him, nor will he pay for the job to be corrected. Unfortunately the cost of other routes to recovery are prohibitive.

What if he refuses to get someone to do this on his behalf also? What can i say to him that may feel like he is being threatened to rectify this

So i could be at a loss then

 

[GBDamo]

Would there be any to retrieve money back from him or for him to get someone on his behalf to fix this? I agree with the quality of a job being so poor, said to everyone i get its my mistake but he was referred, i just thought it would have been principle for him to rectify this all

What if he refuses to get someone to do this on his behalf also? What can i say to him that may feel like he is being threatened to rectify this

So i could be at a loss then

MCOL - Money Claim Online - Welcome - https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/web/mcol/welcome

you need to do some reading, unless you want to sit in a leather chair in my shed and be charged £250/hour for it.

 

[imjustanonymous]

MCOL - Money Claim Online - Welcome - https://www.moneyclaim.gov.uk/web/mcol/welcome

you need to do some reading, unless you want to sit in a leather chair in my shed and be charged £250/hour for it.

Thank you very much

If the chair is comfortable, i dont mind

 

[45140]

GBDamo, apologies but I must take issue with your post and advice.

Contractually, and very begrudgingly, I'd offer him the opportunity to hire someone competent to do the work stating in the letter your belief he is not competent, attach your list of faults from your LLs assessor.

Absolutely wrong. Under no circumstances should you ever accuse someone of being incompetent unless you really do have a stack of evidence and even then it really should not be done. The person making the claim would need to prove their own competence to have reached such a judgement.

Then you could try Money Claim On Line but that process will insist you have given him opportunity to put this right.

Any legal redress will require that the shower man is given the opportunity to put matters right. That is exactly what the claimant needs to allow him to do.

Sadly you wont see a penny back from him.

Your opinion, but not correct

...nor will he pay for the job to be corrected.

Oh yes he will...and he will pay substantially for it

.unfortunately the cost of other routes to recovery are prohibitive.

There is no need to proceed beyond the online small claims court with a transfer of the judgement to the High Court - which cost is recoverable on enforcement.

 

[GBDamo]

GBDamo, apologies but I must take issue with your post and advice.

Actually you don't, you've mostly written the same advice differently expecting a different outcome.

Absolutely wrong. Under no circumstances should you ever accuse someone of being incompetent unless you really do have a stack of evidence and even then it really should not be done. The person making the claim would need to prove their own competence to have reached such a judgement.

His LLs electrician has disconnected the installation and condemned it, so it is not me advising the OP to claim the cowboy is incompetence the OP has received professional advice stating it as fact, hence why i suggested attaching the LLs assessment.

Any legal redress will require that the shower man is given the opportunity to put matters right. That is exactly what the claimant needs to allow him to do.

I do believe there is an echo in here, in here, in here

Your opinion, but not correct

...in your opinion, we'll see though.

Oh yes he will...and he will pay substantially for it

I refer the learned gentleman to my earlier answer.

There is no need to proceed beyond the online small claims court with a transfer of the judgement to the High Court - which cost is recoverable on enforcement.

In my opinion, without a written contract or other sound proof a contract has been entered into and between whom then there is precious little for MCOL to settle.

 

[PEG]

.....If Tescos were still making burgers out of this horse....it would be very tender...