Ideas?! | on ElectriciansForums

Discuss Ideas?! in the UK Electrical Forum area at ElectriciansForums.net

A

axel132132

Need some help guys,

ive been given an opportunity to get in with a big Modular Building Company like Portakabin, they want a meeting with me.. What type of things should i discuss with them to make them want to use me over other people?

Also what you think i should take with me? Should i be asking people for a reference and print them out?

And is it bad to 'persuade' them to use me by saying like spend 4000 and ill buy u an ipad? or is that just not what to do!
 
Need some help guys,

ive been given an opportunity to get in with a big Modular Building Company like Portakabin, they want a meeting with me.. What type of things should i discuss with them to make them want to use me over other people?

Also what you think i should take with me? Should i be asking people for a reference and print them out?

And is it bad to 'persuade' them to use me by saying like spend 4000 and ill buy u an ipad? or is that just not what to do!

Stay away from gimmicks - wrong market! That's the sort of thing that would work for residentials, but not for someone like a "Portacabin"

IMHO, your best tactics here are to concentrate on things like sustainability - show them you can weather the extended terms they're likely to want (probably up to 90 days), make sure you have a very clear order and acknowledgment system - e.g. they email an order, you acknowledge it providing lead times, and so on. Make sure every order acknowledges exactly what they're buying, and what's expected from both sides.

References from similar types of work, good, other work, not so much. Concentrate on the commercial rather than technical aspects. For the guys you'll be seeing it's all about delivery, not about "how neat" or "how perfect to the Standard" - those things, they take as read.

Try to have a good understanding of what they want from you before you go - and then deliver a meeting that shows how you give them exactly that. Say, for example, they want 40 cabins a month..... can you cope.... how would you cope, both in labour and financially? Say they have an incredibly short deadline - can you cope? Say some months it's 50 and next month it's 2..... can you cope with variation in workflow?

Those are the sort of questions they may want answering, along with things like how your insurance will cover and incidents on site, or how you'll deal with a fault - guarantee/warranty stuff - just as a few examples.
 
Should i be honest about everything, as in make sure they know we only been going for about 6 months etc?

Be honest, by all means, but only so far as it's relevant - it doesn't matter to you that you've only been trading six months, and neither it should to them if you can deliver. IMO tell them that only if directly asked, otherwise be "cautious" - use terms like "since we started" or "in the last year" .....

They tend to see new starts in two ways.... (a) too new to cope financially and or in resources, and (b) ready to use short traidng as an excuse not to deliver. Neither of which are always true, but as said in my other post, these guys will be looking to pass on the work and forget it, in essence, - a trouble free ride with you.
 
Yeh they offered me a big job in woking, some school new build quote came out at about 195,000 so i messaged him saying due to size we cannot afford to do that job, and we wouldnt trust getting self employed electricians in to help us out but we are happy to do smaller jobs for you, and more local jobs and build up a trust with each other as a company.. Thats when he suggested a meeting
 
Yeh they offered me a big job in woking, some school new build quote came out at about 195,000 so i messaged him saying due to size we cannot afford to do that job, and we wouldnt trust getting self employed electricians in to help us out but we are happy to do smaller jobs for you, and more local jobs and build up a trust with each other as a company.. Thats when he suggested a meeting

thats an interesting thread.

most lads work a long time, dreaming of a 195,000 job

you've been trading 6 months and have turned one down
 
Yeh they offered me a big job in woking, some school new build quote came out at about 195,000 so i messaged him saying due to size we cannot afford to do that job, and we wouldnt trust getting self employed electricians in to help us out but we are happy to do smaller jobs for you, and more local jobs and build up a trust with each other as a company.. Thats when he suggested a meeting

This is exactly the thing he'll want to know more about I think. A lot of the big companies, such as they are now, are getting wise to the fact that they cannot simply pile on the work and take a year to pay. However, like us "little ones" they also understand that as we do, they need to complete the work and then get paid, and many don't have the vast reserves of budget to pay ahead of completion they once did (and likely will again).

So, be above all, realistic about what you can afford to take on - make sure you know what credit terms they want, and how long you can afford to sit out that money. A typical example might be a job that has ÂŁ5000 of materials, and let's say, ÂŁ2500 of labour ... plus VAT.

Now, if they want 90 days to pay..... VAT is an issue. But so is your supplier account (assuming you have one), and any labour you have to pay out for. You're paying the cost of three months worth of credit to cover the job in effect. Does your pricing reflect that?

Can your credit lines support it - most suppliers will give 30 days at most. So you're still looking for an additional 60 days, and overdrafts (trust me) ain't cheap now. If you can get one. Credit cards are suicide. Your guys, if you're using additional labour.... can they wait a month the be paid, or likely, will they want paying weekly? So, you need to know you can both cover all that AND make sure any costs in that are covered.

The next part of the issue - within the 90 days or so you're waiting for that money, how do you service other work coming in... if your money is all tied up in job one.

So, matey is going to want to be sure you can cope with those kinds of timescales, I think - that you have a solid trading background (even if short) and contingency plans in place if he's giving you a volume of work.

To be honest, at this point, what I would do is make this meeting all about listening only. Go and find out what exactly he wants from you, summarise it in notes, and then respond to it in writing - tell him you're going to go away, and put a deal together that meets his requirements - and for the moment, just that you're sure you can provide what he wants, in general terms. I would not be too keen to agree everything on the spot.
 
Need some help guys,

ive been given an opportunity to get in with a big Modular Building Company like Portakabin, they want a meeting with me.. What type of things should i discuss with them to make them want to use me over other people?

Also what you think i should take with me? Should i be asking people for a reference and print them out?

And is it bad to 'persuade' them to use me by saying like spend 4000 and ill buy u an ipad? or is that just not what to do!

modular building companies don't want anything fancy, they just want heaters, power and light, also Data points these days.....
having Data installation ability and knowledge of fire alarms will help...

Can you cope with heel dragging and 120+ days between doing work and getting paid? I had an uncle did similar work and he ended going under and doing work for other people after dealing with a similar sized company...

you have to ask yourself.....why have none of the big players been fighting over the contract? and don't want it...?

why don't they have their own team of personal company Electricians and do it in house?
 
I know right! But they wanted ÂŁ36,000 upfront for Electric White Boards for the school.. stuff like that and i purely cannot afford such a big job.. It would have been amazing to take it on.. But i simply cannot afford!
 
Also don't give any offer of freebies....or you will have everybody in their office trying to get an Ipad out of you.....there was problems here with council staff all wanting and getting an Ipad on taxpayer money....they are too much of a temptation for greedy office workers...


your margins will be = break even and end up in debt to the Bank and the Tax, and the tax is not something you want looking for money you can't give them....
 
Just because they are a big modular building outfit it don't mean they wont have you over a barrel at a moments notice !

One of my best mates is a pipe fitter and works for his old man , one of the big modular building outfits have just taken them for around ÂŁ90,000 and this is after trading with each other for something like 25 years !

If you like drop me a pm and i will let you know if the ones asking you are the ones ?!
 
Just because they are a big modular building outfit it don't mean they wont have you over a barrel at a moments notice !

One of my best mates is a pipe fitter and works for his old man , one of the big modular building outfits have just taken them for around ÂŁ90,000 and this is after trading with each other for something like 25 years !

If you like drop me a pm and i will let you know if the ones asking you are the ones ?!

if you start working for/with certain companies....things can be good at first....but these companies change their management and office staff regularly and things can go bad....all it takes is the manager/accountant/even the owners of the company to move on/change/sell the business and the way things get run around there can be changed in a matter of hours....resulting in some smart @s taking you for a ride that ends up in the trunk of a car dumped in the desert of ruined businesses....... with your pants pulled over your head...
 

Reply to Ideas?! in the UK Electrical Forum area at ElectriciansForums.net

News and Offers from Sponsors

  • Article
Join us at electronica 2024 in Munich! Since 1964, electronica has been the premier event for technology enthusiasts and industry professionals...
    • Like
Replies
0
Views
380
  • Sticky
  • Article
Good to know thanks, one can never have enough places to source parts from!
Replies
4
Views
957
  • Article
OFFICIAL SPONSORS These Official Forum Sponsors May Provide Discounts to Regular Forum Members - If you would like to sponsor us then...
Replies
0
Views
1K

Similar threads

  • Question
By the looks of it the whole head comes off in one unit, guess it has a driver inside of it. Ive tried to Google the Image i have, one comes up...
Replies
3
Views
550
  • Question
I have 3rd part signed off, i think, twice. Once for an apprentice who was doing his own place, i followed NAPITs rules to the letter, checking...
2
Replies
15
Views
2K

OFFICIAL SPONSORS

Electrical Goods - Electrical Tools - Brand Names Electrician Courses Green Electrical Goods PCB Way Electrical Goods - Electrical Tools - Brand Names Pushfit Wire Connectors Electric Underfloor Heating Electrician Courses
These Official Forum Sponsors May Provide Discounts to Regular Forum Members - If you would like to sponsor us then CLICK HERE and post a thread with who you are, and we'll send you some stats etc

YOUR Unread Posts

This website was designed, optimised and is hosted by untold.media Operating under the name Untold Media since 2001.
Back
Top