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This is now available for download and comment from here:

Draft code of practice for public comment - The IET

Martin Cotterell of Sundog who has been involved with this has written an informative blog at Solar Power Portal:

Preparing for the upcoming IET solar PV code of practice | Solar Power Portal

Back to earthing array frames then.
Just how practical will it be not to mix and match MC4s?

You have until 7th November to respond to the consultation.
 
Earthing array frames - can of worms, lots of arguments/discussions will ensue
Fusing only one branch of DC - sensible and logical, +ve and -ve earthing is a waste of money imo
Mixing different brands of connectors - completely agree that one brand of MC4-compatible should never be connected to another brand of MC4-compatible (as an example) but do not agree that MC4-compatible connectors shouldn't be mated with MC OEM connectors. Of course, MC have long had a gripe about their design being "copied" by others but they need to get a life...
 
I proof read early drafts of the IET COP (which was due to be issued in the spring hence the rush and poor quality of writing so far). They think that MCS will die out (as FITs reduce) and this will replace it as the standard. I explained that MCS is effectively Building Regs compliance and an additional standard was not needed. I questioned their position on frame earthing and said that installers would not be happy paying ÂŁ70 for another set of (contradictory) regulations. I was the only small installer proof reading the document before issue and they stopped talking to me ....
 
So what brand / make of MC4 compatible cable are you supposed to use to connect the string cables to the first and last panel in the string, or between rows where the string needs a link?
 
It's not necessarily what brand to use, it's more about not mixing and matching different brands, as far as I can tell/assume. However, that doesn't address the fact that connecting one brand's male connector to an MC OEM female connector is entirely feasible/acceptable, given the fact that MC4-compatible connectors DO exist....even though MC themselves would never admit that. Personally, I have a TUV test document showing 100% compatibility between a certain MC4-compatible connector and MC's own product....again, not that MC would accept that themselves but then again, who are they to question TUV's credibility!
 
Also, and this is a question we have posed to MC over the years (many years), do they expect to dictate to a panel manufacturer which connectors they use on their modules. I know for a fact that there are a huge amount of modules out there that use "MC4-compatible" connectors, and not MC's own product. Are MC going to insist that module manufacturer's only use MC's own connectors? Are they going to insist that people cut off the supplied connector so that a pair of MC's own connectors are used? What warranty implications will that have? It's the most commonly copied/replicated connector format in the industry, it's almost an "industry standard". There are many others, such as Phoenix' Sunclix, or Tyco's SolarLok, or Yamaichi's YSol4 that are not so easily replicated but the fact is that the industry has almost standardised on MC's MC4-type format. Or are the the IET steering group going to insist that global module manufacturers supply pairs of connectors for each module? Or that every inverter manufacturer supplies pairs of connectors? SMA supply spare Sunclix mating parts because that format is pretty unique and therefore it makes sense to supply the installer with the mating component - not because of compatibility concerns, but because there are no other choices!

The fact is that this potential aspect of the IET document will only highlight what is already an understood issue in the industry - don't mix and match MC4-compatible connectors you idiot. Bit like teaching your Grandma to suck eggs if you ask me....
 
it clearly breaches Competition law anyway, so will have to be struck off on that point alone.


Don't you love the niavity of some of the authors :)
 
Don't you love the niavity of some of the authors :)
no, it ****es me right off tbh.

You'd have thought they'd have learned from the MCS roof fixings debacle, but no still as sure as ever that what they say should go for the entire industry just because they say it.

I'm pretty astounded that anyone can write 2 entirely conflicting pieces of guidance within the space of 2 years and expect to have their views taken seriously, and have the industry just take their word as gospel on it in the face of all manor of conflicting evidence, as is the case here with the situation with array frame earthing.

I've already made my views clear on that at the MCS, where MC justified it with some rubbish about the RCMU protection needing the frames earthing to function, which is repeated within this document. I checked this with SMA and Power-One who both said this was complete nonsense, and reported this back to the next MCS steering group meeting, yet here IET still are attempting to force this on the industry.

Essentially the only reason this is happening is that it's an international standard and the IET thinks the UK should do as other countries do with it, without taking account of all the differences that exist from one country to the next in stuff like earthing arrangements, grid voltages, use of RCDs, relative lightning risks etc.

The other justification I've seen relates to the potential for direct lightening strikes on the panels, but the last thing any sane person would do in that case would be to bond it to the MET from where it could blow every piece of kit in the house, fry all the household electrics, and potentially knock out the main transformer, or probably just burn out the bonding cable.

There's a very good reason why all LPS systems are bonded to earth spikes on site, and not to the suppliers earth, and why they use massive thick strips of copper, not 2.5/4mm2 earth bonding cables.
 
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I can see an experiment coming on with a TL inverter and a deliberately damaged cable to test the theories out.
 
Re plugs. This would only breach competition law if you were forced to use plugs from one manufacturer, in this case MC. As long as equipment manufacturers state the make of plug used and make those available with the equipment, the requirement can be met. I don't think this is one to get too hung up on.

Gavin's comments on earthing are more pertinent. This does appear to be more concerned with meeting anticipated international standards to ensure what the UK aligns with the rest of the world. Apparently inverters will have more noticeable earth fault alarms.

The additional work involved in bonding a roof integrated array mounted on a non metal system will be fun for all and very time consuming.
 
Re plugs. This would only breach competition law if you were forced to use plugs from one manufacturer, in this case MC. As long as equipment manufacturers state the make of plug used and
we probably use 10 different panel types, some with MC4, some with different types of MC4 compatible. Currently we only have to carry MC4 connectors, but under this ruling we'd have to carry all possible options all the time, which is a **** take.

If a manufacturer is stating that a connector is MC4 compatible, then that should cover it.

The reason it will breach competition law is it will inevitably force all manufacturers to standardise on actual MC4 connectors as opposed to MC4 compatible... well it will if anyone takes the blindest bit of notice of it.
 
The array earthing is definitely linked to the RCMUs, which is daft for a number of reasons. It's narrow viewed to say the least. I too will look forward to see what happens when a slowly rising DC leakage current fault happens with an earthed array and TL inverter...or more to the point, what doesn't happen...
 

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