Industrial earthing problems - again deadly

[GMES]

As others have stated; leave it alone please. I admire your conviction, but thats exactly what you could end up with.
Your bosses sound like they don't give a damn, so why should you!.
God forbid someone gets a fatal shock, or there is a fire and an investigation is launched ( which there will be ) then the 1st question asked will be, who was the last person to carry out any electrical work, this is you and from what i've read so far , your employers won't hesitate to give them your name. Please walk away from this problem.

 

[Inteificio]

As for why I am doing it, if someone gets an electric shock, then it will be one of my friends.
I am happy to sit in court and argue my case if someone gets hurt, if my actions reduce the risk of harm.

The D50 is just an embarrassment, whoever installed this **** should be ashamed.
Once it is fused it should disconnect in time, but be illegal.

As for containment. Yep cracked housing, compromised IP ratings (the hole is sealed), unsupported wires, no earths and water everywhere.
The place is a state.

I can't fix all of the above, but I can improve it.

As for this no longer being my problem, you are part right. Mass layoffs today, and I have a meeting with HR on Tue.

My moneys on this won't be a good week.

Thanks for the help guys.

 

[GMES]

Didn't mean to be rude or clever just don't want to see you get in trouble, over it.
hope your job is safe. Good luck with it all.

 

[Deleted member 72666]

Didn't mean to be rude or clever just don't want to see you get in trouble, over it.
hope your job is safe. Good luck with it all.

I hope it's safer than the electrics!

 

[Englishsparks]

Ok, since your not listening to what people are saying!

Leave it alone!

If anything happens your the last person to work on it,if you don't do the remedials 100% correctly then you will still have to brunt some of the blame.by putting something only 50% right you are taking the blame away from the original installer or the management and putting it fair and squarely on your shoulders 100%
I fully understand where you are coming from, but only correcting things partly is not the way forward.

Its all down to the good ole saying protectum rectum.

 

[Inteificio]

Eng the point is probably moot now, but do you really not understand my point?

It is not about covering my arse, it is about protecting lives. If someone gets hurt badly, and I did nothing, what kind of person would that make me?

 

[stuartcourt]

I see where you are coming from but if your bosses dont care how unsafe it is they will care nothing to hang you out to dry if you touch it. You have done your job now try to get a better job as these people do not deserve you

 

[brookster]

double post

 

[brookster]

I would connect all tanks ect earthing to main earth bar which is then fed to the main earth at the board. This is what we would do installing gen sets with fuel tanks, don't know how much help that is to your situation.
Obviously grading the main CPC correctly.

We would have all tanks, pipes, gennys all earthed to the change over panel them fed back to the main earth @ the main incomer.
If changeover was on the gen set we would put a main earth bar to connect all the different earths before it goes back to the main earth at supply.
Keeping everything at the same earth potential.

 

[Deleted member 72666]

Eng the point is probably moot now, but do you really not understand my point?

It is not about covering my arse, it's about protecting lives. If someone gets hurt badly, and I did nothing, what kind of person would that make me?

Embarrass your employers by having a 'whip round' and hopefully with the proceeds install RCD protection then at least you've made it safer than it was.

 

[Engineer54]

Originally Posted by Inteificio
Eng the point is probably moot now, but do you really not understand my point?

It is not about covering my arse, it's about protecting lives. If someone gets hurt badly, and I did nothing, what kind of person would that make me?

I think we all see what your trying to do,but their comes a point where you have to start thinking about your own family first. Putting yourself in a position where you become part of any investigation and possible partial blame awarded against you, will have an effect on them. Also, having any conviction of this sort against you, will/can be a killer trying to gain potential employment with any large institutional employer!!

 

[Darkwood]

Originally Posted by Inteificio
Eng the point is probably moot now, but do you really not understand my point?

It is not about covering my arse, it's about protecting lives. If someone gets hurt badly, and I did nothing, what kind of person would that make me?

I think we all see what your trying to do,but their comes a point where you have to start thinking about your own family first. Putting yourself in a position where you become part of any investigation and possible partial blame awarded against you, will have an effect on them. Also, having any conviction of this sort against you, will/can be a killer trying to gain potential employment with any large institutional employer!!

Ouch!!! but a reality check and 100% agree with you E54....its a knife edge he walks upon.

 

[markythesparky]

They do not want me to fix it.

Why do it then? If they don't want it done, don't touch it. If someone gets hurt after you've touched it, the company would have no problem pointing the finger at you. Leave it alone and then they will be liable.

I am slowly repairing it when the boss isn't looking, but I am not paying out of my pocket for the parts.

You won't have to if you don't touch it!


My understanding is that each circuit requires a designated CPC, and you are allowed to share this CPC.
I am using the CPC of an attached circuit.

If each circuit requires its own CPC (as per BS 7671) then how can you also share a CPC? Is it me?

I'm sorry but I am at a loss as to why you are getting involved in this. If the people holding the purse strings say NO and you continue to do work on it (and cut corners in doing so) then you only have yourself to blame.
You must be mad!

Unless there is another side to the story?!?!?

 

[Inteificio]

I read it that each circuit requires a designated CPC.
So each circuit must have a fixed path to earth.
I do not think that each designated earth path must be unique.
As in, if you have a factory earth tape, each circuit has a CPC to the earth tape, then the earth tape becomes the CPC for multiple circuits at once.

Unsurprisingly this CPC would need to be marked at every point that it is used by multiple circuits.

If this is not the case, why is there a reg that says shared CPCs need to be rated only for the largest circuit?

p.s, You would also share a CPC on a sub-main.

 

[Darkwood]

Don't let Markythesparky confuse you ... I don't know why he has put each circuit requires its 'OWN' cpc as this isn't the case If he's under that impression then maybe he can show the REG' where he gets this from, conduit, trunking, steel wire armouring in a sub main supply can all be part of an earth return for multiple circuits.... re-read my previous post ive explained clearly and also reasons why you cant borrow the cpc like you suggested from an adjacent final circuit.