Not come across this before, so would like some help, please.
I went to install smokes and heat alarm (to new Scottish regs) in a fairly modern flat last week. The flat is on the top floor of three.
Noted that the flat had one smoke in the hall. Assessed minimum requirement as smoke in hall, smoke in Living room, heat in kitchen, just the usual for this type of property. CO alarm, modern one, already installed in kitchen, as required.
Fitted Aico heat in kitchen and smoke in living room, and went to install matching RF smoke in hall.
Client asked if I could put new one over the old one, meaning take out old one and put new one over the hole in the ceiling.
Took existing smoke off its base, discovered it was hard wired mains item and testing revealed it was "live". Thought maybe put the plug-in connector in a suitable MF enclosure, and mount new one in its place. Up my ladder, I said to the client, can you check the CU and see if there's a designated breaker for this? The smoke was off the ceiling and disconnected at this point. Yes, she said, there's a breaker marked "smoke alarm" in there.
OK, switch that off, I said, meaning to isolate it as mentioned above. She switched the breaker off and all hell broke out in the common entrance/stairwell with a very loud siren that would wake the dead! Actually...no-one appeared to ask what the noise was all about. She switched the breaker on, and all was quiet. I reconnected the smoke, it kept beeping, but after a few presses of the reset button, all was quiet.
We chose another location for the new smoke, house-coded the new units and tested all good.
By the time I got home, she had transferred all my invoice to my bank, which was nice!
Sorry, a bit long-winded! My query is:
Was there a time when all flats in a block had one smoke each, but setting one off, or in my case, interrupting the power, caused a central alarm to sound to warn other residents? If so, it surely means that that circuit in the CU was interlinked elsewhere, so was in fact a circuit independent of the flat's supply?
If so, it means that the smokes were on a dedicated circuit, terminated in each flat, and run off the communal supply for the block, with the breaker in each flat's CU powered from elsewhere.
My client called the factor (the instructions for the mains smoke were of no help) and the factor simply said they had no idea.
I'm happy that my client is adequately protected to regs now, but am curious as to why the originally installed smoke acted that way.
Every day is a school day...
Many thanks for any replies to explain this system. I expect to encounter a few more in the months to come.
I went to install smokes and heat alarm (to new Scottish regs) in a fairly modern flat last week. The flat is on the top floor of three.
Noted that the flat had one smoke in the hall. Assessed minimum requirement as smoke in hall, smoke in Living room, heat in kitchen, just the usual for this type of property. CO alarm, modern one, already installed in kitchen, as required.
Fitted Aico heat in kitchen and smoke in living room, and went to install matching RF smoke in hall.
Client asked if I could put new one over the old one, meaning take out old one and put new one over the hole in the ceiling.
Took existing smoke off its base, discovered it was hard wired mains item and testing revealed it was "live". Thought maybe put the plug-in connector in a suitable MF enclosure, and mount new one in its place. Up my ladder, I said to the client, can you check the CU and see if there's a designated breaker for this? The smoke was off the ceiling and disconnected at this point. Yes, she said, there's a breaker marked "smoke alarm" in there.
OK, switch that off, I said, meaning to isolate it as mentioned above. She switched the breaker off and all hell broke out in the common entrance/stairwell with a very loud siren that would wake the dead! Actually...no-one appeared to ask what the noise was all about. She switched the breaker on, and all was quiet. I reconnected the smoke, it kept beeping, but after a few presses of the reset button, all was quiet.
We chose another location for the new smoke, house-coded the new units and tested all good.
By the time I got home, she had transferred all my invoice to my bank, which was nice!
Sorry, a bit long-winded! My query is:
Was there a time when all flats in a block had one smoke each, but setting one off, or in my case, interrupting the power, caused a central alarm to sound to warn other residents? If so, it surely means that that circuit in the CU was interlinked elsewhere, so was in fact a circuit independent of the flat's supply?
If so, it means that the smokes were on a dedicated circuit, terminated in each flat, and run off the communal supply for the block, with the breaker in each flat's CU powered from elsewhere.
My client called the factor (the instructions for the mains smoke were of no help) and the factor simply said they had no idea.
I'm happy that my client is adequately protected to regs now, but am curious as to why the originally installed smoke acted that way.
Every day is a school day...
Many thanks for any replies to explain this system. I expect to encounter a few more in the months to come.