Is a bathroom now the only "special location"

[tombrooker84]

Hello Guys,

Speaking to another spark who is registered with NAPIT, and he has said that he had a letter through the post, saying that kitchens and gardens are no longer special locations, and modifications to a kitchen or outside circuit no longer need to be notified? Is that true?

I have just got a feeling that if that is the case that kitchen fitters and gardeners will be carrying out electrical work and by passing us?

Cheers

Tom

 

[tony mc]

Kitchens and Gardens have never been special locations as per BS 7671 its under the building regs Part P.

It is news to me can't see what NAPIT have to do with it mind you!

 

[SJD]

To add, if look look at BS7671 section 7, you will see a list of other "Special installations or locations" such as swimming pools, rooms and cabins containing sauna heaters, etc. Nothing has changed regarding these.

 

[tombrooker84]

I was told he got sent a letter, with this outlined in it and syaing that the building regs part p has been updated. I have yet to receive one or hear of it myself through ELECSA though.

 

[tony mc]

I had my yearly assessement last week and nothing was mentioned !

 

[Guest55]

your friend is refering to the part p building regs which determine the special locations within domestic properties that require electrical notification.
next year there will be changes to all this but its not been implimented yet.
basically napit are jumping the gun a bit even if they turn out to be correct.
wait till next easter to hear the planned changes.

 

[Octopus]

your friend is refering to the part p building regs which determine the special locations within domestic properties that require electrical notification.
next year there will be changes to all this but its not been implimented yet.
basically napit are jumping the gun a bit even if they turn out to be correct.
wait till next easter to hear the planned changes.

Or is it that NAPIT have taken over the role from the NICEIC, that being they think they make the rules.

Another example of why Techies shouldn't be making these decisions. What the industry needs is clear communication to joe public and sparkies alike - and this is something that is not happening.

 

[Guest55]

Or is it that NAPIT have taken over the role from the NICEIC, that being they think they make the rules.

Another example of why Techies shouldn't be making these decisions. What the industry needs is clear communication to joe public and sparkies alike - and this is something that is not happening.

i plan on buying out nic , eca and napit.
the loose change i've got down down the back of the sofa will be fair market value after next years collapse of the competent persons scheme.
;-)

 

[jon small]

have a look at the pe mag website, this was only released yesterday i think,
basically new circuits in kitchen / outside still come under existing part pee rules - additions / alterations don't

 

[Adam W]

i plan on buying out nic , eca and napit.
the loose change i've got down down the back of the sofa will be fair market value after next years collapse of the competent persons scheme.
;-)

I intend to start an organisation to monitor competent persons schemes which they will all have to pay me to be members of otherwise I will brand them 'cowboy schemes' or 'scams'.
I will assess their assessors when they're doing their assessments.

 

[MDJ]

Ive already stated you can join the MDJ scheme, 1 pound to join and 1 pound per notification a 4th party can be involved, who cares belong as I make money :hurray:

 

[SparkyJoe]

It clearly said "from date" (which was sometime next year) in the mail i got.

I copy and pasted it for you cos im nice and that:

In an important change for NAPIT members, DCLG have published an updated, shorter and clearer version of Approved Document P which will come into force on 6 April 2013.
The document can be obtained as a free download from the Planning Portal website.
Note that the current version comes up at the top of the page and you will need to scroll down to find the 2013 version.

The main changes to the document are:

Section 1: Design and Installation

• Reference is updated to BS 7671:2008 incorporating Amendment No1:2011
• A clarification is that installations in new dwellings formed by a change of use may need to be upgraded to current standards – in contrast to when making additions or alterations to installations in existing dwellings
• There is amended guidance on accessibility (heights for sockets, switches and consumer units)

Section 2: Notifiable work

• The amount of work that must be notified is reduced, with minor alteration work in kitchens and outdoors now excluded (although it must comply with BS7671)
• The information about what must be notified is more clearly presented (describing what must be notified rather than just listing what is exempt)

Section 3: Certification, inspection and testing

• A provision is made for the introduction of third party certification (this will not be available until the mechanism for approving individuals to carry out certification is agreed and a form of condition report suitable for this purpose is developed)

Appendices

• The appendices have been reduced to definitions and reference to BS7671 (references to other standards are excluded here because they are stated in BS7671)
• Copies of model BS7671 forms, diagrams showing typical installations and older types of installation have all been removed

The responsibilities of NAPIT members are not changed by this publication other than the reduced number of notifications to self-certify work against the Building Regulations which will be implemented by April 2013.

 

[Brendan976]

Just had a look at the Draft Part P for implementation in April 2013, which can be found at http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF_AD_P_2013_DRAFT.pdf

 

[Adam W]

My scheme isn't a scheme for contractors it's a scheme for schemes - I make sure they're doing their assessments properly by assessing the assessors.
I charge an annual membership fee which would be passed onto the contractor which would cut your profit margin even further, but your customers would have the peace of mind of knowing that their electrician has been assessed by a competent assessor.
Alternatively they could just get the guy from down the pub to do it cheaper without any of the red tape.

 

[richy3333]

Hooray for being in Scotland

 

[garrywatters]

Hooray for being in Scotland

And hooray for being in Australia! Licence required, no kitchen fitter types over here!

 

[Ponty Massive]

Hooray for being in Scotland

And it seems Wales as well. Does this amendment only apply in England ?

 

[Robotstar5]

And it seems Wales as well. Does this amendment only apply in England ?

Could they amend it a bit more to just cover the area inside the M25?

 

[richy3333]

And it seems Wales as well. Does this amendment only apply in England ?

Doesn't Part P(iss take) apply to Ongaland and Whales? Sorry

 

[Des 56]

And it seems Wales as well. Does this amendment only apply in England ?

Yes,England only

No doubt you will be happy to hear in a reply to me. the Welsh minister Mr Griffiths will monitor the changes and make a decision in the future if need be,however,other parts of the building regs will be given priority for the foreseeable future.sprinkler systems,energy conservation etc
It will be more likely left as it is for up to the next ten years