lack of 30ma rcd protection

[foghorn]

hi under the 17th ammnendment 3 what code would be given to lack of 30ma rcd protection in a comercial installation 100ma rcd is present

 

[The Ghost]

Is it a swimming pool, explosive atmosphere, fire risk, rental, warehouse, office? More info needed.

 

[foghorn]

small office building

 

[The Ghost]

C2

 

[Octopus]

What do you think?

 

[foghorn]

im thinking c3 as no sockets available were unlikely for portable equipment to be taken outside

 

[The Ghost]

You have to produce a risk assessment then.

 

[foghorn]

any heads up how to produce a risk assesment

 

[westward10]

For an EICR it should be a minimum C3, you do not need to produce a risk assessment.

 

[The Ghost]

Look at regs and the notes to 411.3.3 it refers to SI no. which then takes you to HSE risk assessment. Its no ordinary risk assessment and leaves onerous responsibility on you. Hence give it a C2. What about cables in walls and ordinary or skilled persons with just a socket. The whole thrust is to get RCDs into the workplace/home.

 

[The Ghost]

411.3.3 Additional protection
In a.c. systems, additional protection by means of an RCD in accordance with Regulation 415.1 shall be provided for:

1. (i) socket-outlets with a rated current not exceeding 20 A, and
2. (ii) mobile equipment with a current rating not exceeding 32 A for use outdoors.

An exception to (i) is permitted:

1. (a) where, other than for an installation in a dwelling, a documented risk assessment determines that the RCD protection is not necessary, or
2. (b) for a specific labelled or otherwise suitably identified socket-outlet provided for connection of a particular item of equipment.

 

[The Ghost]

See Appendix 2, item 10 in respect of risk assessment.
10. The Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1999 (SI 1999 No 3242) require employers and self-employed persons to assess risks to workers and others who may be affected by their work or business. This is intended to enable them to identify measures they need to take to comply with the law. Guidance from the Health and Safety Executive INDG163 gives advice on these regulations.

 

[westward10]

The person carrying out an EICR does not need to produce a risk assessment with regards to lack of additional rcd protection.

 

[The Ghost]

The person carrying out an EICR does not need to produce a risk assessment with regards to lack of additional rcd protection.

I am not being contentious, I would like to understand your reasoning behind that statement please. With any supporting evidence if poss?

 

[foghorn]

surely a risk assessment would be needed if i was saying that An exception to 30 ma rcd is permitted which i would not be saying ony that code 3 recommend improvemnt