Landlords certificate Earth bond to Gas

[Specialist]

Hi Guys: Had a call from an old customer, he's bought a flat to rent out & had a Gas fitter in to do safety checks & issue a Landlords certificate. Gas fitter did whatever checks he had to but won't issue the cert as there's apparently no Earth bond to the gas intake.

The customer was then told by another Gas fitter, that he should have been given the certificate as Earth bonding to the gas is only an optional check, not compulsory.
Obviously he has to have the bonding done, but I was just wondering if bonding is an optional check ?

 

[Ian1981]

Hi Guys: Had a call from an old customer, he's bought a flat to rent out & had a Gas fitter in to do safety checks & issue a Landlords certificate. Gas fitter did whatever checks he had to but won't issue the cert as there's apparently no Earth bond to the gas intake.

The customer was then told by another Gas fitter, that he should have been given the certificate as Earth bonding to the gas is only an optional check, not compulsory.
Obviously he has to have the bonding done, but I was just wondering if bonding is an optional check ?

I've always wondered what the hell its got to do with a gas fitter?
He probably does right addressing the fact that no Earth bond exists at the meter and informing the relevant people but what's it got to do with a gas service?
Unless there's a reason someone can give me?

 

[Specialist]

Hi Ian, hoping one of our gas fitters can shed some light on the rules.
I stay well away from anything to do with gas.

 

[Leesparkykent]

with no bonding in place the GIUSP section 3.19 says to issue a Bonding Notice, so a separate notification sheet to accompany the CP12 certificate.

 

[Specialist]

Thanks Lee sorry to be thick mate, CP12 certificate ?.

 

[Rpa07]

I had the exact same job and reason to do it, this last Friday. Landlord was alerted to it by the gas check as he's about to rent the place out - sweet little job but outside was on a busy road. Minor works after continuity test, to him to make that CP12 that Lee noted - ready to rent.

 

[Wilko]

Thanks Lee sorry to be thick mate, CP12 certificate ?.

IIRC a CP12 is the annual gas safe cert required for rental property

 

[Octopus]

I did a cursory zs check recently.... To find the house wasn't earthed (1955 build).

2 years ago they had a new boiler fitted ... No bonding either.... The gas man must have noticed the lack of bonding as the boiler, cu and incoming gas were with 4 feet!

 

[Specialist]

@Wilko : Thanks buddy, thought it might be but wasn't sure.

@Murdoch : Makes you wonder where these peoples minds are at. Apparently in this flat, the CU & gas meter are in the same room.

 

[Specialist]

Spoke to the gas fitter today that checked this flat, apparently he didn't just refuse the certificate because of the Earth bond. He classified the boiler as unsafe and poorly installed as well, hence the refusal.
Anyway I was asked to go over & have a look at the electrics with a view to doing the gas bond, went over & looked then walked out the door.
No earth bond to gas or water, Socket outlet in the bathroom, CU been changed in the last month but old RCD left in place apparently as an isolator, CU plastic with single RCD so not compliant.
No certification of any sort given, apparently his builders sparky changed the CU & said he didn't need it.

Have informed him of what I've seen, now it's down to him to get it sorted.

 

[Risteard]

Going to be pernickety here - there is no such thing as an earth bond. Earthing and bonding are different things which serve different purposes.

 

[Ian1981]

Going to be pernickety here - there is no such thing as an earth bond. Earthing and bonding are different things which serve different purposes.

Agreed you are pernickety

 

[Risteard]

Agreed you are pernickety

Perhaps, but Electricians at the very least should understand that earthing and bonding are not the same thing!

 

[solarsavings]

The cp12 certificate does not have a pass or fail it is a record of what is found on the day/time of inspection. It should have been issued regardless of any defects found.
The gas not being bonded just needs noting on the cp12. A separate warning notice and a label at the meter.

 

[aimeejessica]

If the landlord requires a gas safe certificate then he needs an electrical condition report as well. Then the electrician will pick up the omission of bonding to the gas.