Lift car lights

[mart8235]

Hi guys,

I have been asked to install some extra lights inside a lift car.
I'm unsure how to proceed. first off am I even allowed to carry out electrical work in a lift car as a normal electrician? Then you've got shut down procedures of the lift whilst working and then re-instating, my head is spinning.......

I'm very unsure about this as I've never worked on lifts before and always thought it was a specialist job. my boss doesn't want to use any subbies as he has told the client we can do everything!! (the company does more than just electrical work and the boss is not a spark).

any help would be great, and links to supporting rules & regs would be amazing!

 

[Knobhead]

The work will involve going on to the car roof. You have to know how to gain access and have the door release keys.
If you’re not trained to work on lifts, leave them alone.
Ottis do some excellent courses which also cover other manufacturers. The last one I went on was emergency rescue procedures, that was fun. All the companies electrical engineers had to go on it after an engineer got stuck in the lift. I was the only engineer on site at that time trained in rescue procedures. Pity I was stuck in the lift, I couldn’t get myself out

 

[mart8235]

Cheers Tony
Any courses, rules and regs I should know about so I can stick them in front on the bosses nose?
Don't want to go in with out ammo when I tell him we aint doing the job. The fella thinks that if its got voltage going through it we can work on it........
........ I can't wait for the day he comes in and says we've got a job on an oil rig starting the next day!!!! (It will happen).

 

[Knobhead]

Have a look at http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/831/contents/made you should find what you need.

You mentioned restoring power, this can be where the fun starts. Some lifts have a home datum which the car must be returned to before returning to general service. Others can set off on their own.

My favourite trick for getting rid of the forman at my first job was to tell him I was going working on the lift. I’d conned him in to getting on to the car roof and then drove it to the top floor. The look of panic on his face as we approached the top of the shaft was a picture. He kept clear of me after that.

 

[harrig]

Hi guys,

I have been asked to install some extra lights inside a lift car.
I'm unsure how to proceed. first off am I even allowed to carry out electrical work in a lift car as a normal electrician? Then you've got shut down procedures of the lift whilst working and then re-instating, my head is spinning.......

I'm very unsure about this as I've never worked on lifts before and always thought it was a specialist job. my boss doesn't want to use any subbies as he has told the client we can do everything!! (the company does more than just electrical work and the boss is not a spark).

any help would be great, and links to supporting rules & regs would be amazing!

To work on a lift you need specialist training. Without this you may be putting yourself or others in danger. I am a consultant with 40+ years experience. I carry out incvestigations into accidents / incidents, I do not want to worry about another one. Less is more in this instance.

 

[Engineer54]

Cheers Tony
Any courses, rules and regs I should know about so I can stick them in front on the bosses nose?
Don't want to go in with out ammo when I tell him we aint doing the job. The fella thinks that if its got voltage going through it we can work on it........
........ I can't wait for the day he comes in and says we've got a job on an oil rig starting the next day!!!! (It will happen).

Lift car lighting is generally provided by the lift company and is also generally supplied through the lift control panel via it's own MCB/fuse, which will, or should be ''Locked''!! There is also generally an ongoing service/maintenance contract between the lift company and the owner, so any work carried out on this lift would nullify any ongoing service warranty provided by the lift company...

As for the oil rig working, ..... Unless you have extensive industrial controls and fault finding, and experience in medium to heavy plant, it's going to be highly unlikely you'll ever see a working oil rig let alone work on one i'm afraid!!! ...

 

[telectrix]

can't be that hard. i built my own oil rig , aged 9.

was made out of meccano, though.

 

[ian.settle1]

Think he would have made a decision by now as the thread is nearly 12 months old

 

[needasparks]

More to the point I would check your insurance as i would guess you would not be covered to carry out any works within a lift whether you know how to do it or not. How would you feel if it transpired that someone got killed after a sensor switch was damaged when some guy fitted a light.
Your also eating into someone else's living just like we get upset about a plumber fitting a fuseboard.

 

[Knobhead]

Companies I’ve worked for did their own in house lift maintenance. But we ere trained by external companies and insured by our own company. A 6 monthly insurance audit would be carried out by independent companies.

 

[Bobster]

Companies I’ve worked for did their own in house lift maintenance. But we ere trained by external companies and insured by our own company. A 6 monthly insurance audit would be carried out by independent companies.

This is exactly how we do it.

I hated having to wind the lift all the way to the top every time we had a power trip.

 

[Engineer54]

Companies I’ve worked for did their own in house lift maintenance. But we ere trained by external companies and insured by our own company. A 6 monthly insurance audit would be carried out by independent companies.

I would think that would be more of an exception rather than the rule these days. I can't think of a single project i've been on that didn't have service/repair contracts with the the installing lift company, or a recognised lift service company....

 

[Knobhead]

I don’t know what the situation is with them now. I should imagine that in these days of litigation, the maintenance has gone to contract. But rescue procedures are still in place.