Lighting in a pub

[ac.electrical]

Hi,

Im curretly rewiring a pub and i was wondering does the bar lighting have to be rcd protected or can it be on normal breakers.

Cheers

 

[ian.settle1]

Hi,

Im curretly rewiring a pub and i was wondering does the bar lighting have to be rcd protected or can it be on normal breakers.

Cheers

If the drops to switches or any wall lights are buried in the wall and less than 50mm and not protected by a earthed metal covering yes

 

[Darkwood]

If the drops to switches or any wall lights are buried in the wall and less than 50mm and not protected by a earthed metal covering yes

Just additional to yours ian, make sure the mechanical protection is resistant to nail and screws etc so metal capping wont be acceptable and really only heavy gauge steel conduit would be acceptable in this case if it was as you say less then 50mm beneath any surface as swa not really a viable option to wire a light switch in a pub.
Although to my knowledge their is a new option with a specially designed cable with a toughened metal case which has passed testing and can be used to iradicate the need for a rcd cover although its expensive to use and a rcbo is usually the cheaper option.

 

[Spudnik]

Are we not back to the "under supervision of a skilled etc etc..... on this, with regard to RCD's and cable depths??

 

[Doomed]

Are we not back to the "under supervision of a skilled etc etc..... on this, with regard to RCD's and cable depths??

In an environment open to the public skilled supervision does not apply, when I queried about the regs for a shopping mall where it is all surface mount in PVC conduit I was advised to RCD in the public accessible areas

 

[ian.settle1]

Are we not back to the "under supervision of a skilled etc etc..... on this, with regard to RCD's and cable depths??

Skilled in what? because they are skilled in serving beer?

 

[Spudnik]

In an environment open to the public skilled supervision does not apply, when I queried about the regs for a shopping mall where it is all surface mount in PVC conduit I was advised to RCD in the public accessible areas

Fair enough.

I was just interested to hear anothers view on this.

Skilled in what? because they are skilled in serving beer?

Just in case you were not aware, since the regulations were updated to the 17th edition last year, we now how to install RCD's if cables are not buried more than 50mm from the surface OR cables in galv conduit. In some instances RCD's can also be left out if the premises is under the supervision of a skilled or instructed person with regard to electrical installations.

 

[ian.settle1]

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Originally Posted by ian.settle1
Skilled in what? because they are skilled in serving beer?

Just in case you were not aware, since the regulations were updated to the 17th edition last year, we now how to install RCD's if cables are not buried more than 50mm from the surface OR cables in galv conduit. In some instances RCD's can also be left out if the premises is under the supervision of a skilled or instructed person with regard to electrical installations.

I know that Jason, would you really say that a pub landlord is a skilled or instructed person with regards to an electrical installation under the 17th?

 

[Doomed]

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I know that Jason, would you really say that a pub landlord is a skilled or instructed person with regards to an electrical installation under the 17th?

But the theory is that he is sensible and compatent in his field and knows his limitations and will always summon skilled tradesmen to work in his premises.

(any traces of sarcasm are inferred by the reader and are no fault of mine)

 

[The Truth]

in a bar / restaurant / commercial premises etc the use of RCD's should be considered carefully.

the best option for a bar lighting circuits i believe is to keep mcb's in place and do one of the following.

1. surface wiring in PVC conduit for switch drops.

2. switch drops only in surface galv conduit ( yeah right )

3. switch drops in this new cable .... its mega!

AEI Cables has launched a new screened wiring cable which exceeds the requirements of BS8436 for use in walls, partitions and building voids where there is a risk of damage or penetration from nails or screws. Protec is a multi-purpose, future-proof cable ideal for industrial, commercial or domestic applications.


if in doubt put an RCBO on the whole lighting circuit as bars especially are earth fault and shock hazzard magnets

no one no matter how 'skilled' will refrain from baging in nails or drilling small holes in walls... we should embrace RCD's and accept the fact that they save lives

 

[ian.settle1]

But the theory is that he is sensible and compatent in his field and knows his limitations and will always summon skilled tradesmen to work in his premises.

(any traces of sarcasm are inferred by the reader and are no fault of mine)

Would you therefore say it needs to be RCD protected?

As the way the skilled or instructed person part is written it is a good get out clause as I have previously said, how do they define a skilled or instructed person should something happen and it ends up in court?

 

[Doomed]

As I said earlier, I have been advised that as the general public share the same area it should be RCD protected

 

[Spudnik]

To protect the public from what though?

 

[Doomed]

Good question, themselves I suppose, I must admit I didn't think to ask :/