Lost work?

[Knobhead]

This is mainly out of interest for me but very pertinent to you still working out in the field.

With each new wave of regulations that come along they loose you work due to more stringent and expensive regulations.

I can fully understand Mr. Brown looking as you incredulously as you explain that his new single socket will cost £200. While you’re explaining the necessary ancillary work, his mind is in B&Q looking at the £4.99 socket on the shelf. He doesn’t understand the safety implications and basically just isn’t interested. You’re ripping him off so you get the bums rush out of the door. He puts his hat and coat on and goes to see Joe down at the pub.

Don’t get me wrong all work done must be safe and fit for purpose, but have we now gone to far?

You all complain about lack of work. There are 1000’s of dodgy installations out there in need of dragging out of the 1940/50’s. People just can’t afford the extra whistles and bells that are part of the regulations.

The government backed the part P fiasco. Did they give any consideration to the knock on effect, did they hell as like.

The bottom line is how much have the “improvements” to the regs cost you?

 

[Knobhead]

I think i put this in the wrong forum, thought I was in general.

 

[Chr!s]

This is mainly out of interest for me but very pertinent to you still working out in the field.

With each new wave of regulations that come along they loose you work due to more stringent and expensive regulations.

I can fully understand Mr. Brown looking as you incredulously as you explain that his new single socket will cost £200. While you’re explaining the necessary ancillary work, his mind is in B&Q looking at the £4.99 socket on the shelf. He doesn’t understand the safety implications and basically just isn’t interested. You’re ripping him off so you get the bums rush out of the door. He puts his hat and coat on and goes to see Joe down at the pub.

Don’t get me wrong all work done must be safe and fit for purpose, but have we now gone to far?

You all complain about lack of work. There are 1000’s of dodgy installations out there in need of dragging out of the 1940/50’s. People just can’t afford the extra whistles and bells that are part of the regulations.

The government backed the part P fiasco. Did they give any consideration to the knock on effect, did they hell as like.

The bottom line is how much have the “improvements” to the regs cost you?

In the aspects of electrical design and safety certainly in domestic, id say the change in regulations isn't the real issue, the Regs are not retrospective to a degree and where an installation is of a poor standard and incorrectly installed then the remedying electrician will have to still impose a cost on the customer regardless.

Bonding may be omitted at the cost of a RCD, some new regulations arguably make certain installs cheaper.

Scam providers don't help, some wanting £500 for membership, Gas Safe do the same job for £180, notification and the rest. Why can they not make themselves as cheap?

Better governance is the issue for me personally.Even with the scam providers, much work is being carried out by non competent persons. For me personally if the government and governing bodies are so bothered, then they could ensure all work carried out must be carried out by qualified people. Laws could and can be made much tighter and done in a way which stops non competent people carrying out work at prices which subsidise there benefits.

And finally we can not forget the recession, people are skint, the building Regs in a way recognise this by saying the installation shall be made no worse, so much work arguably could be carried out with out major expense, where as the scam providers expect any work to implement the Regs fully.

Take a socket, Building regs, adding another socket, very unlikely to make the installation any worse.

Scam providers, you need an rcd protecting that socket.

Its all a mess really, something needs to be done.

Rant over fell better now

Regards Chris

 

[Kiers1970]

too right, we are ripped off for 5 ton a year. Is it right that The NICEIC are in fact a charity? I bet/know they will have a number of fatcats on 100k PA plus. They Milk us like cows, and lets have it, do very very little apart form tell us 'you should have clipped that cable under those floor boards, I was once told...

 

[Octopus]

Not so much as "lost work" but its more the frustration of having to try and explain the regulations and why certain things HAVE to be done.

Its all very well making improvements and changes, but unless such changes are marketed to Joe Public, and the reasons for such improvements we are all up against it.


EG: Lady wants extra sockets in her sons bedroom, see's that a 2 gang socket in a big shed is £3.00 and then wonders why we have to talk about equipotential bonding and RCD's and then the price can rise easily to £100.00

 

[the pict]

I have always believed that most if not all of the changes to regulations are a direct result of the manufacturers lobbying the scheme providers no doubt over lunch and claret, to include new products "that improve safety" I can remember when RCD's were first introduced and the hoo haa that accompanied them stick a rcd on any installation from pre 1970 and it will trip on E N fault, is that installation going to burn the building down or kill a chef well it has'nt in all the years it has been in service so why will it now,the regulations including all you poor sods in Enlgland who suffer part P are a product of buerocractic meddling with an eye on making money pure and simple
Pict

 

[oldtimer]

too right, we are ripped off for 5 ton a year. Is it right that The NICEIC are in fact a charity? I bet/know they will have a number of fatcats on 100k PA plus. They Milk us like cows, and lets have it, do very very little apart form tell us 'you should have clipped that cable under those floor boards, I was once told...

You got the charity bit right here but remember these people are getting big wages so in affect no shareholders to pay out to so fill your boots also yep Gas Safe but we dont have one authority that manages us we have lots. Also during WWI there was a lot of blind soldiers coming home so a charity for the blind was set up the only problem was that as the recipents died off the blind population fell but little old ladies were still leaving their fortunes to them the result ended up being an unregulated charity that was voting for big pay rises not to be deceptive you understand but only to pay the "going rate" for these highly "sought after" individuals.