MCP final exit location

[IAmSparkytus!]

Hi all,

Any advice on where to locate a manual call point in a commercial premises (shop) if there is nowhere either side of the entrance or close to where one can be positioned - or what have others done in the past?

Thanks.

 

[telectrix]

anywhere on the escape route is acceptable. e.g. I done a couple of pubs where I located MCP behind bar as if by door, some boozed up lager swigger would hit them just for fun.

 

[westward10]

This is common on glass fronted retail outlets. Generally they are located on either of the adjacent walls but ensure it is going to remain conspicuous the amount I have seen hidden behind shelving.

 

[IAmSparkytus!]

This is common on glass fronted retail outlets. Generally they are located on either of the adjacent walls but ensure it is going to remain conspicuous the amount I have seen hidden behind shelving.

Yes, this is the issue. Sliding door as well so there isn't a door frame to utilise.

Only option I can see is to put it behind the sales counter which is to the left of the door but it wouldn't be accessible to public unfortunately.

 

[IAmSparkytus!]

anywhere on the escape route is acceptable. e.g. I done a couple of pubs where I located MCP behind bar as if by door, some boozed up lager swigger would hit them just for fun.

Thanks for your reply. There isn't a main escape route as there are a few aisles and as its mostly shelving I don't see anywhere to put them in the aisles either. Front and back exits within shop area both lead to open air but only able to put a break glass near the back exit due to the positioning issue I'm having!

 

[westward10]

It is a requirement that enroute to an exit you pass a call point so putting it behind the counter even though I have seen it done isn't ideal. Every exit to the open air requires a call point whether it is deemed a fire exit or not.

 

[Lister1987]

If there is no physical wall to mount a call point or to run cabling (chased or containment), consider a freestanding self contained job.



A note of caution; I have been able to find no information regarding this products compliance with BS EN 54-11, possibly because it's not really a call point but I wouldn't be happy unless I had something in writing from the manufacturer - That said if you read the datasheet/manual they basically say we take no responsibility whatsoever as to whether the product will work or not, to me seems a bit underhand, I know most have something similar but they seem very specific with it.

 

[Lister1987]

If there is no physical wall to mount a call point or to run cabling (chased or containment), consider a freestanding self contained job.

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A note of caution; I have been able to find no information regarding this products compliance with BS EN 54-11, possibly because it's not really a call point but I wouldn't be happy unless I had something in writing from the manufacturer - That said if you read the datasheet/manual they basically say we take no responsibility whatsoever as to whether the product will work or not, to me seems a bit underhand, I know most have something similar but they seem very specific with it.

I'm intrigued, why the ? @UNG ?

 

[UNG]

If there is no physical wall to mount a call point or to run cabling (chased or containment), consider a freestanding self contained job.

View attachment 84379

A note of caution; I have been able to find no information regarding this products compliance with BS EN 54-11, possibly because it's not really a call point but I wouldn't be happy unless I had something in writing from the manufacturer - That said if you read the datasheet/manual they basically say we take no responsibility whatsoever as to whether the product will work or not, to me seems a bit underhand, I know most have something similar but they seem very specific with it.

Not sure that piece of tat would comply with any of the requirements for a commercial multi point detection system let alone a standalone system

I'm intrigued, why the ? @UNG ?

Really! you need to ask

 

[Lister1987]

Not sure that piece of tat would comply with any of the requirements for a commercial multi point detection system let alone a standalone system


Really! you need to ask

As I said on that post, I couldn't find any documentation as to its complaince or efficacy.

I'm sure I've seen similar systems for outdoor 'indoor' (read; large --- marques) where is little to no scope for fixed wiring

 

[westward10]

I'm intrigued, why the ? @UNG ?

Sorry to say it is a piece of tat and is not likely to comply with any standards and cannot be integrated into a Part 1 system.

 

[UNG]

As I said on that post, I couldn't find any documentation as to its complaince or efficacy.

So why bother posting it up when the OP is more than likely working on a part 1 system you may as well have posted a link to an Aico MCP

I'm sure I've seen similar systems for outdoor 'indoor' (read; large --- marques) where is little to no scope for fixed wiring

I've seen a manual fire bell on an fire extinguisher stand in a marquee, it's a temporary solution to bring attention to a fire probably doesn't comply with anything but it is here today somewhere else tomorrow and meets the needs of a risk assessment or the event

 

[i=p/u]

Install a hose

 

[telectrix]

a hose, a hose. my kingdom for a hose.

 

[i=p/u]

Garden Sprinkler off a wireless smoke detector

 

[i=p/u]

Can u send me drawing telectrix, 10 mins , clocks counting