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Hi Everyone,

I want to get in to Mechanical and Electrical and am finding it pretty hard in finding a job with a company who wants to train up a normal domestic and commercial experienced Electrician with 2391.

I was looking at doing a HNC/HND in electrical engineering to make a firm take more notice of me when applying for a job in Mechanical and Electrical but before i do this I wanted to find out how recognised this course actually is and if it's going to be worth forking out for or is there a better corse i could do?

Everyones thoughts on this would be appreciated.

Thanks.
 
Might be worth contacting the larger M&E contractors and having a chat with a senior manager (they like to give career advice). For the big boys carrying out something like large manufacturing plant or data centre maintenance, this is probably the most comprehensive M&E career you'll have. Spin is right, think about what you mean by "M". In a data centre, it's cooing towers, chillers, pumps, air handling units, generators etc. In a factory, it's going to be lots of vessels, pumps, heaters, monitoring etc. In my experience it's difficult to find good quality all round M&E engineers, especially ones prepared to work shift.
 
I wish you the best of luck, it’s a great road to go down. The company I served my time with didn’t assign you to a trade for the first year, you would do fitting, machining, welding and electrical. It was decided I was to go down the electrical road and that should have been the end of the metal bashing.
Once out of my time I joined one of the shift maintenance teams. Two teams on the works per shift consisting of 2 electricians, 2 fitters, 1 welder and 1 fitters mate. We were petty autonomous as a team, there being no one “in charge” out of normal day time hours. We were left alone to our own devices so long as product flowed out of the door.
With any breakdown it would be all hands to the pumps (sometimes literally) to get things running again. So from starting as segregated trade groups, we were put in a skills food blender. If we could we stuck to our trades but a lot of the time it was whoever was nearest got the job.
Over time with cost cutting the teams dwindled down to just one team with an electrician and a fitter. We had to help each other and learn from each other.
I moved to another company with pretty much the same set up but not as well organised, we had to be pretty inventive with some of our fixes. We had a full machine shop but by the time I arrived on the scene all the machinists had retired / wandered off not to be replaced. It was like dropping me in to an Aladdin’s cave full of big boys toys. The company had a pretty laid back attitude, if you felt comfortable doing something then their way was to let you get on with it.
I learnt PLC programming by flying by the seat of my pants which put the design department’s nose out of joint some what. Motor repairs had all been farmed out to contract, I got all but rewinds brought back in house. Machining again was brought back. Things still had to go out as our main job was plant breakdowns and maintenance, we just got snowed under.
One endearing memory was a new engineering manager moving to our site and being introduced to our “team”, a fitter and me!
“So let me get this right, you’re the electrician and he’s the fitter?” “Why is he fitting a contactor and while you’re cutting a key way?”
He got a bit confused!
One of our little projects was to build and install a 5 tonne hoist, all done in house. The manager’s head swelled to about three times it normal bloated size when all the proof testing certificates came through.

It’s a great way to go if you can just get your foot in the door first. With me it was all lucky accidents along the way. Nothing was planned, it just happened!
 
the way this country is going become a banker; best of luck. Most people i know have a degree in electrical engineering, and still go into finance. Don't ask me why. I would suggest follow your heart or your pocket.
 

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