Morals and Ethics on electrical installations

[gigawatt]

Hi guys, I'm still a student so forgive me for any basic and dumbass questions but was wondering on what best practice is in the field.

If for example you are faced with a replacement job, eg. an electric shower install which does not have the correct (width) cable or lacks an isolator switch and the customer just wants you to replace as it is, what do you do?

I understand the regs apply on all new installations, but how are they meant to be applied on retro-fit installations?

 

[mattmoo1974]

If the CCC of the cable isnt big enough to run the shower you dont change it.

 

[Knobhead]

Morals and Ethics? On this board?
Ye gods you’ve opened a can of worms!

There are two camps.

One side will do the right and honourable thing and give good advice.

The other side will browbeat a customer in to submission for a full rewire even though they only went to change a lamp!

 

[Des 56]

Generally,a like for like swap of equipment is considered maintenance

If a higher rated unit was to be installed,then the existing installation would have to be adequate, or made adequate

I would have thought that most unethical alterations are done by people who dont really know what is adequate,homeowners and cowboys usually,allthough the trade reflects society as a whole and there are always loose cannons in all walks of life

 

[1shortcircuit]

If for example you are faced with a replacement job, eg. an electric shower install which does not have the correct (width) cable or lacks an isolator switch and the customer just wants you to replace as it is, what do you do?

What do you do? Thank the customer and be on my merry way. I would also politely comment that IF they wish to have the job done correctly then please don't hesitate to call

NEXT

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Is this one of those numpties again?

 

[victoria stiles]

Electrical installations are all about properly connecting electrical wirings so that electrical power is safely available for the use of the owner. An electrical installation trained personnel requires a high degree of expertise in understanding wiring and other electrical conditions necessary for safely regulating electricity to a particular unit.As a result, electrical installation trained person is very much in need by construction companies, automobile and aircraft makers at large.

 

[JamesBrownLive]

If for example you are faced with a replacement job, eg. an electric shower install which does not have the correct (width) cable or lacks an isolator switch and the customer just wants you to replace as it is, what do you do?

And that very same customer will be after you like a shot when his house burns down because you've done something your not supposed to, just to keep them happy.
Remember, in the eyes of the law you are the person with the knowledge, and are responsible for everything that happens.
i.e You cannot say at a later date (after the $hit has hit the fan) that you told the customer that what they wanted you to do was against the Regs, and that if was their choice to go ahead with the work anyway. They can only chose whether or not to have the work done, they cannot indemnify you against breaches of the Regs that you carry out at their behest.
It's your signature on the cert, always remember that. :yes:

 

[WayneL]

Electrical installations are all about properly connecting electrical wirings so that electrical power is safely available for the use of the owner. An electrical installation trained personnel requires a high degree of expertise in understanding wiring and other electrical conditions necessary for safely regulating electricity to a particular unit.As a result, electrical installation trained person is very much in need by construction companies, automobile and aircraft makers at large.

Thanks for those wonderful words of wisdom, Victoria.
Absolutely nothing to do with the thread, mind, but still.......

 

[midgetman]

simple - if your not happy with it you don't do it.
saying that there are thousands of showers that are run on un suitable sized cables for years with no problems. We only know they are undersized cos that is what we have been told. Could be a conspiracy to sell thicker cables by the distributors. :crazy:

 

[sparky3366]

Treat every job like you have Rogue Traders secretly filming you...

 

[Silly Sausage]

Morals & Ethics on Electrical Installations, forget that kind of nonsense.
Just always make sure any work you do complies with the regs.
I've heard this so many times on the courses I've been on - 'The regulations are not a statutory instrument, but can be used against you in a court of law'. In fact see 114 in the BRB.
You'll be the one getting prosecuted when it goes pear shaped.

 

[midgetman]

Treat every job like you have Rogue Traders secretly filming you..

yes so stick your hand in the ccu and get a good belt - that makes good tv.