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Got some mystery wiring to figure out - here's the problem (bear with me!):

There's a fairly tatty 3-phase board supplying the workshop where I work. Took the cover off (isolated!) to see a bit of a spaghetti situation, but all in all not too bad. Old colours, spiderwebs and the like. What concerned me was the single 1.5 red cable hanging free ready to liven up everyone and everything (so I thought). There were no empty L terminals, only one ring which was complete... but there was a connector block very nearby with the 2 ring CPCs running into 1 terminal and a single CPC run from the same terminal in the block to the earth bar. Meaning the opposite terminal of the block was empty. Not screwed down though!

With me so far? Good.

It crossed my mind that the loose red was for some reason being used (wrongly) as a CPC and had fallen out of the block. So I got the long lead out and started hunting - tracked the other end (?) to a 3-phase isolator for a CEE socket. In this isolator everything seemed to be in order except there was a 4th red cable, meaning 6 cables were running back to the board (3L, 1N, 1CPC + extra red). This extra red was terminated in a connector block, but connected to nothing else from the block. In the next pair of terminals on the connector strip was the CPC coming from the isolator casing, connected back to the board. For some reason. Continuity fine.

However, I then attached the end of the long lead to this rogue red at the block in the isolator, and tested for continuity back at the board. I got a reading at the other loose end, *and* across the E bar *and* the N bar, nothing between any other phase. So somewhere along the way something connects to something else. But what and why? I know this needs more investigation, and I'll be doing just that, but while I wait for the go-ahead to tear part of the ceiling down and rip the cabling out to start again, does anyone have any ideas about what I may be missing? Any experience or technique that I haven't come across yet that may explain it? Nothing else is fed from this breaker (nothing I can see anyway) - it's a dedicated 3-phase breaker for this one socket.

Thanks.

(Edit - it's possible that at the isolator this rogue red was stuffed in with the CPCs at the block, running back to the block in the board with the ring CPCs! But then why the continuity with N?)

Whew!
 
it MAY be a pilot wire to enable remote control of what ever is plugged into socket I THINK I done have a lot of experience with this sort of thing but that would be my guess MAYBE
get some photos up and someone more brainy than me will no doubt come up with better answer than me s
 
Yes same as mogga here, you don't say (unless i missed it) what type of work is done carried out in this building, could it be to trigger a fan or extract for whatever was used on that socket ?
Hence why your getting a reading to earth on it as its fed (Neutral/earth) from another circuit.
Bit like a borrowed neutral on lighting.
 
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That's interesting, it is labelled as "extractor"... I've no experience of triggers like this so how would it work?
 
If the bit of kit (saw etc) had DOL start it may have just been stuffed in the other load side of starting contactor to bring an extract on.
Only normally seen extract units directly run from said saw etc but who knows how much knowledge the installer had ?
Three phase DOL starting is like witchcraft to someone who only does housebashing.
 
Ok, thanks all for the input - keep it coming if you spot anything else!

If it is this pilot wire thing, why would it run with the CPC? Is it some sort of way to generate a 'signal'? The fact it was loose in the board means I can't be sure where it should have been going but it does seem it fell from this block attached to the ring CPCs.... Where should it go? This is certainly witchcraft to me!
 

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