Need to quote for a new build

[robsparky1975]

Hi everyone,

There is a job local to me for tender,they want prices per outlet,now i have a figure in mind,but was wondering what people would quote on here,there is no info on type of fittings so i will generally quote just for basic fittings,i know area has a bit to do with it but what do you charge PER OUTLET? its a new build house,thats all i know so far,so will show my interest.

 

[telectrix]

rather quote per point, not oulet.you got to be looking 45 to 50 quid per. remember to cost a light switch or D/P isolator as a point.

 

[High Tower]

New build with good access £40 per outlet

 

[robsparky1975]

Think i will go between the 2 then £47.50,see how we go.oh and thanks fellas

 

[TPES]

So light pendant and switch is 2 points? Is this how you do the whole house?

And this accounts for bonding, 6mm cooker, 10mm shower, CU change, heating plan and every other bit that goes with a new build? Fixed price per point cover everything? Be it a 1 bed flat or 6 bed 3 story detached?

Im new to quoting new builds also

 

[Amp David]

Thing with new builds is that everything is open and accesible so is a piece of pee to run your cables.

Was thinking of 48.50 myself, even before reading post #4

 

[La Poste]

What about downlighters?
Is each downlighter considered a point?
If it is it will be great if they want lots of downlighters.

 

[malcolmsanford]

I have to say that unless your dealing with something that requires a breakdown of costs as in some larger contracts I would not work on price per point really, as I find no 2 jobs are the same, it can be a good rule of thumb but a single point could take you 1 hr or half a day.

On a domestic job I would use a day rate principle, how much is your 8 or 9 hours worth to you. I normally aim at 25 to 30 pounds an hour + material. That is irrelvant then of new build or rewire. New build would be easier, less hours so less cost. A rewire occupied house, with all that entails is longer, more cost.

Also something I found is that sometimes you set a sprat to catch a mackerel. If you get called to quote say just for a light fitting change and you note that the house is old with an old installation, I would quote literally cost to get the job.

When doing the job and even if not needed for an appliance change I would issue a MEIWC as that generates paperwork and then a small cover letter saying that you found bonding was not to regs and RECOMMEND that they have a PIR done to just check over the installation and they are given an HONEST report.

I know this can be interpreted as "drumming up work", but as long as your honest and truthful and tell them that there is no law that they have to have it done, but it is recommended to have reports done on old installations and you do it, it's just making people aware of what should be done and you do the work. May lead to nothing, but you are trying to sell your services and PIR's upgrades are part of that service.

 

[Amp David]

Not sure why a single point on a new build would take half a day to complete?

 

[malcolmsanford]

Not sure if you read what I wrote but unless the job specified a breakdown of costs, for all domestic work I would quote a day rate rather then a per point rate, wether it is new build or refurb.

It is just a practice I got into. The chances are as you said on a new build it won't take you half a day to fit a point, unless you have a stroppy plumber in front of you, but in a rewire it could. I just found it easier to say that if I'm going to be there for 4 hrs it's 120 pounds, wether that's the one point that is a bark or the 6 easy points.

If you knew that 1 point was going to mean you move furniture, take up carpet, and floor boards, run the new cable, chase the wall and fit the new flush box, make good, test connect up, replace the floor, all the furniture write the certificates and if needed send to the scheme for certification ..............45 pounds or if it took you 3 hrs 90 pounds?

 

[Amp David]

Not even talking about anything other that a new build here. As of yet i've still to find any new builds with flooring down or furniture in place.

A rewire would be quoted for the job as all are different.

New builds price per point, get in there work hard get job done and if the stroppy pluimber gets in your way, then kick him out of the way until you've done.

 

[malcolmsanford]

Unless he is bigger than you , or you leave and he as fun with the blow torch

I just used the dayrate for either, it's horse for courses, plus new builds were a luxury and with this situation in the UK , becoming more so

 

[Amp David]

You know what they say, bigger they are harder they fall HA HA!

Payback to the plumber who melts your cable, de solder one of his joints so when he comes to pressure test or fill up the fun really begins.

 

[malcolmsanford]

Ohhhhhhhh your not a man to get the wrong side of then Dave

 

[Amp David]

Sometimes malc, us sparks need to play them at their own game

 

[malcolmsanford]

Always found some builders sand placed in pipes tended to get them excited or borrowing the 'O" rings off of traps and not telling them seemed to get them agitated, but plumbers are an excitable breed

 

[TPES]

So a would you charge fitting the new consumer unit as a price per point?

That being the same price to put up a pendant?

I really need to know how new-builds are priced exactly to get my price right, and how it's wrote down on your estimate plus any additional small print needed on it..

Is it literally every single connection made will be a set price? The CU being one connection, obviously testing is all in on it

 

[malcolmsanford]

If the contract is asking you to break down your costs for each item then that's what you need to do.

So as the guys have said

sockets 45 per point
Lights 25 per pendant 20 per switch
CU install 350 pounds inc connection
Bonding 175 inc main and supplementray
cooker points 150
shower 225
Testing 300 inc certificates and notification

Etc these are rough guides and dependant on where you are, what your overheads are and how badly you need the work.

Do you need to seperate your material, will you be running TV. CCTV, Cat. Telephone and extension.

Fire alarms NICEIC say you need to fit a system to every rewire or new work

Emergency lighting, some building department insist on an emergency light above the CU

So all this you and you alone can only really work out

 

[UNG]

CU install 350 pounds inc connection

inc connection to what?

You would need to be clear that any costs associated with the provision of the supply by the DNO are not included

 

[TPES]

Ok, I get you with your costing, but I thought the common way was to have one set price per point... And that covers every point in that house?

Have any of you done it this way?
If so how do you itemise it?

 

[Amp David]

My price per point would be calculated to allow for thing like a CU and bonding.

 

[malcolmsanford]

inc connection to what?

You would need to be clear that any costs associated with the provision of the supply by the DNO are not included

Sounds daft but I saw a contract by a company that quoted a board fit but not connection of the circuits, that was an extra !!!!