NICEIC Certification Scheme Niceic test

[Deleted member 9648]

South Wales , Bridgend area.
The only time the building inspector cares I guess is
if it's say an extension on a house , where they want to see the
Test certificate, the owner of that house would surely want an
electrician who can sign their own work off to wire that extension.

So If the council don't care, do some electrians get away with doing major
works and don't issue any certificate and move onto the next job
if the home owners don't care ?

What makes you think you cant issue a certificate?
Generic certficates not linked to a scam are widely available,issue one of those.
If the work is carried out in accordance with bs 7671,and the correct certificate issued by an electrically competant person thats all that matters.

 

[shanky887614]

South Wales , Bridgend area.
The only time the building inspector cares I guess is
if it's say an extension on a house , where they want to see the
Test certificate, the owner of that house would surely want an
electrician who can sign their own work off to wire that extension.

So If the council don't care, do some electrians get away with doing major
works and don't issue any certificate and move onto the next job
if the home owners don't care ?

What makes you think you cant issue a certificate?
Generic certficates not linked to a scam are widely available,issue one of those.
If the work is carried out in accordance with bs 7671,and the correct certificate issued by an electrically competant person thats all that matters.

the only time you need to be registered with a scam is if bc demand one because of the type of work or they won't sign the build off.

afterall they tend to send subbies to test and inspect before signing off if you pay.

being a member of a scam just lessons the headache with using bc

 

[andyb]

As already said, you should certify your own work regardless, the advantage of joining a scheme is ease & cost of notification.
Wholesalers normally stack paper certificates or you could buy digital certs like EasyCert, Castline lets you download their basic installation and minor works certificates for free.

 

[TJ Anderson]

Lee.where in Wales are you,I have worked a lot in many of the council areas and have yet to find any local authority with the slightest interest in compliance with part P (other than on their own tendered work)

If you are doing private domestic,few if any exactly gives a hoot about part p compliance especially the householder?

If you do register,you certainly can rewire that empty house and get the scam to inspect
To the letter of the regs you are supposed to inform the council and pay a large fee,but why pay (if you can avoid) in order to do the job you were trained for ?

I agree with you that Part P is frankly a waste of time. All I will say is though, while it is here we should all be complying with it for out customers sake either though BC or a CPS. It is happening a lot where customers have had notifible works carried out, not notified and are then having problems with solicitors when selling their house. Solicitors are very aware of Part P. Part P is not going to go away. Someone who is not registered (or at least informing BC each time and ensuring it is acceptable) should not be carrying out notifiable works as it is short changing the homeowner.

 

[Plonker 3]

. Someone who is not registered (or at least informing BC each time and ensuring it is acceptable) should not be carrying out notifiable works as it is short changing the homeowner.

Why are they? It is the homeowners responsibility to notify LABC of any Part P notifiable works.

 

[Octopus]

Why are they? It is the homeowners responsibility to notify LABC of any Part P notifiable works.

Whilst this is essence is correct, I would suggest that over 90% of sparks are aware of Part P and thus if the customer isn't aware, its our responsibility to tell them....

 

[Plonker 3]

Whilst this is essence is correct, I would suggest that over 90% of sparks are aware of Part P and thus if the customer isn't aware, its our responsibility to tell them....

Thats not what TJ said though. Yes we can educate, but to not be allowed to carry out the works is wrong.

 

[Leesparkykent]

Thats not what TJ said though. Yes we can educate, but to not be allowed to carry out the works is wrong.

You can. But as you are not part of a CPS if you do any notifiable work you should be getting the LABC involved and they will send one of their appointed contractors to pull your work apart lol.

 

[pennychew]

OMG, Danny Dyer is on the forum

Pwoper norty!

 

[Des 56]

Originally Posted by Des 56
Lee.where in Wales are you,I have worked a lot in many of the council areas and have yet to find any local authority with the slightest interest in compliance with part P (other than on their own tendered work)

If you are doing private domestic,few if any exactly gives a hoot about part p compliance especially the householder?

If you do register,you certainly can rewire that empty house and get the scam to inspect
To the letter of the regs you are supposed to inform the council and pay a large fee,but why pay (if you can avoid) in order to do the job you were trained for ?

I agree with you that Part P is frankly a waste of time. All I will say is though, while it is here we should all be complying with it for out customers sake either though BC or a CPS. It is happening a lot where customers have had notifible works carried out, not notified and are then having problems with solicitors when selling their house. Solicitors are very aware of Part P. Part P is not going to go away. Someone who is not registered (or at least informing BC each time and ensuring it is acceptable) should not be carrying out notifiable works as it is short changing the homeowner.

Just to make clear my own position to you TJ
I am registered with a scam,I am one of the idiots who is foolish enough to pay money to one of these scams for the pleasure of carrying out my trade
When this years membership runs out,I would be an absolute moron if I again pay them money
I hardly ever notify my work as things stand,I can't be arsed with the part p anymore

 

[Lee76]

Originally Posted by Des 56

Just to make clear my own position to you TJ
I am registered with a scam,I am one of the idiots who is foolish enough to pay money to one of these scams for the pleasure of carrying out my trade
When this years membership runs out,I would be an absolute moron if I again pay them money
I hardly ever notify my work as things stand,I can't be arsed with the part p anymore

thanks for the reply Des, so will you continue to do total rewires and just
not sign them off ?

Are you allowed to rewire an older house , test and fill
out one of the readily available test sheets and give to the customer
if they don't wish to inform building control ?

some people who plan to live in a house forever probably
won't care to tell council they are rewiring/renovating their home ?

 

[Des 56]

This thread has given the impression by some posters that there is a problem when people who have had work done and there is no proof of notification when thy come to sell their house,complete and utter nonsense

There is very little if any "problem" as regards house sale,eicrs at present trump all and every aspect of lack of Part P notification and has become the accepted means of satisying buyers solicitor demands

I personally have done quite a lot of Eicrs these last few years,each specifically because of this "problem" as its been described
Part p is dead (even in Wales where it remains less diluted than England,it never really existed to the great mass of people)

 

[andyb]

This thread has given the impression by some posters that there is a problem when people who have had work done and there is no proof of notification when thy come to sell their house,complete and utter nonsense

There is very little if any "problem" as regards house sale,eicrs at present trump all and every aspect of lack of Part P notification and has become the accepted means of satisying buyers solicitor demands

I personally have done quite a lot of Eicrs these last few years,each specifically because of this "problem" as its been described
Part p is dead (even in Wales where it remains less diluted than England,it never really existed to the great mass of people)

That's true actually, I been asked several times for a copy of the certificate a year or two after the work when they have come to sell the property.
However, it's not notification proof that they want, it's just a cert.

 

[Des 56]

thanks for the reply Des, so will you continue to do total rewires and just
not sign them off ? Most certainly

Are you allowed to rewire any house , test and fill
out one of the readily available test sheets and give to the customer yes
if they don't wish to inform building control ? that is for them to decide(assuming they had ever heard of Part p in the first place)

some people who plan to live in a house forever probably
won't care to tell council they are rewiring/renovating their home house sales are not restricted in any way by lack of notification to a council?

Certification to Bs7671 to demonstrate that you installed and tested an installation is a requirement of those regs (whatever pretty colour or logo form is used)
Notification to the council is in the end a householders responsibility

I leave you with one interesting opinion
No one has ever been prosecuted for not notifying a safe and compliant installation

 

[Leesparkykent]

If you carry out lots of notifiable work then The most cost affective way is to be part of a scheme.
Doing two or 3 notifiable jobs through your scheme vs the cost of involving LABC and one of their appointed contractors to test your work your initial outlay to join the scheme will be covered. IMO lots of customer are aware of part P and lots more becoming aware. It's likely that you could loose potential work if you are not part of a scheme and the customer is fully aware of part P. If you are not part of a scheme and the customer requires notification then your price is going to have to be at least a few hundred cheaper than the next spark who has quoted and is part of the a scheme due to the fact of the customer having to get LABC involved when using you or if you do this on their behalf your price will have to be at least a few hundred more to cover the cost.IMO From a business point of view it makes financial sense to be part of a scheme if you are carrying out notifiable work.