no earth at lights

[tc50]

customer has all metal light fittings and switches but old wiring circuit l&n no cpc doesnt want rewire as high decor spec ie solid mahogony floors victorian plaster and coving walls an ceilings can i just change switches to plastic and chandeliers to low voltage downlights or pendants and issue him a cert ps also changing board to 17th edition dual split load ps he,s also a grinch does,nt want to spend too much money but house is worth a 500,000 ...

 

[bugsy]

Change all lighting to plastic.
There is a download on the NIC-EIC website which you should read and show your tight client ( actually I think Lenny put one in the sticky threads

 

[telectrix]

rubbish. either replace all lights and switches with classII fittings, or he either walks away or leaves the lighting circuit/s disconnected. end of.

 

[tc50]

thanks man plastic it is then theres 10 ,000 of the price of his house straightaway i,ll tell him that lol

 

[telectrix]

be aware that if the tight wad gets electrocuted after you have left class I fittings with no cpc, the charge is manslaughter.

amd watch out for a shared neutral usually on the landing light.

 

[not clever]

And the switch plate screws?

 

[telectrix]

And the switch plate screws?

you will probably find that the lugs in the back boxes are nylon.

 

[telectrix]

No you place a warning label stating no cpc on lighting circuit. You advise that all fittings are replaced with double insulated or plastic, but you can not advise anyone to disconnect any circuit that would cause distress.

OK. i should have said " isolate the circuit/s" . then customer can easily turn them back on, if he's stupid enough.

 

[tc50]

think i,ll blow this one out not worth the hassle sorry to bore you all

 

[telectrix]

so, by drinking with them, you think an RCD will satisfy BS7671 if fitted to a circuit that is blatantly dangerous. i'd stick to electronics if i were you.

 

[bugsy]

yes thats the nic

muppet city in my book

if you rang them and told them what you wanted to do that was outside their guides then so long as you paid them anover fee then youd be rubber stamped

jobs for the boyz im afraid

i used to drink with a couple of the committee members in london, they were iet also

and you think window cleaners are stupid !!!

muppet!

 

[telectrix]

i said probably, as the original boxes would have been, but some of these could have been replaced when the class I switches were fitted by somebody who didn't understand the purpose of insulating the screws from a conductive part that was not earthed.

 

[telectrix]

an RCD would make it safer, nobody said it would not. RCDs are not infallible. the fact is that if you are responsible for leaving an installation in an unsafe condition, then a court of law will throw the book at you if there is death or injury as a result. and by the way, racist insults to myself or any other members are a sure way of getting yourself banned from the forum.

 

[bugsy]

I notice you have one thanks - was that a post saying you were logging off?

 

[bugsy]

So you state

Walk away in your post - totally unsafe as fitting an rcd is more safe

Disconnect the lighting - totally unsafe and liable to prosecution

You started it boyo

Some folk just dont like it when proved wrong !

Sorry for the insults, but google it - tis true - you should move from wales or change your flag if it offends - Tom Did !

Have you ever imagined what someone looked like by speaking to them? - The picture I've got aint pretty