Observations and recommendations

[Hirst]

Iv got contractors doing periodics inspection reports at my work. They seem to be going ott on the properties testing. So what would you guys put the folowing as code wise.

Cables for w/h clipped direct in a cupboard

Cables not harmonised and no sticker present.

Main tails only at 16mm2

Sockets (2.5) and cooker (6) undersized due to thermal insulation. Cables basically run under aprox 150mm of loft insulation.

Also what is max distance a cooker switch or socket can be from a hob and a sink.

Cheers guys be intrested to se your opinions

 

[oldtimer]

Jobs worth ?

 

[Hirst]

What? Jobs worth......?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Iv got contractors doing periodics inspection reports at my work. They seem to be going ott on the properties testing. So what would you guys put the folowing as code wise.

Cables for w/h clipped direct in a cupboard
No Code.

Cables not harmonised and no sticker present.
Code 4.

Main tails only at 16mm2
No Code.

Sockets (2.5) and cooker (6) undersized due to thermal insulation. Cables basically run under aprox 150mm of loft insulation.
Code 2.

Also what is max distance a cooker switch or socket can be from a hob and a sink.
There is no Max as far as I'm aware.
Min would be 300mm, although that is not a requirement of BS7671.

Cheers guys be intrested to se your opinions

That's my opinion anyway.

 

[Guest123]

Iv got contractors doing periodics inspection reports at my work. They seem to be going ott on the properties testing. So what would you guys put the folowing as code wise.

Cables for w/h clipped direct in a cupboard Hard to comment on this without seeing it for myself, possibly no code at all.

Cables not harmonised and no sticker present. 4.

Main tails only at 16mm2 Would depend on service fuse rating.

Sockets (2.5) and cooker (6) undersized due to thermal insulation. Cables basically run under aprox 150mm of loft insulation. This would need attention, I would attribute a code 2.

Also what is max distance a cooker switch or socket can be from a hob and a sink. Guide to the building regs reccomends 300mm, BS 7671 has no reference.

Cheers guys be intrested to se your opinions

All IMO.

 

[tonys]

Jobs worth ?

Who the governor or the sparks ?

 

[nickblake]

Only comment im going to make is 100% agree with lennys post

 

[tonys]

Iv got contractors doing periodics inspection reports at my work. They seem to be going ott on the properties testing. So what would you guys put the folowing as code wise.

Cables for w/h clipped direct in a cupboard

Cables not harmonised and no sticker present.

Main tails only at 16mm2

Sockets (2.5) and cooker (6) undersized due to thermal insulation. Cables basically run under aprox 150mm of loft insulation.

Also what is max distance a cooker switch or socket can be from a hob and a sink.

Cheers guys be intrested to se your opinions

Tell me the codes they are using then Ill tell you what I think, I don't do opinions behind the backs of those who can not defend their opinions or actions.

Not ethical imo and against my morals especially towards fellow Electricians.

 

[Hirst]

As do I, they put them all as a code two and marked it as unsatisfactory. And the service fuse was 60a so tails were fine. Cheers guys. Iv got peace of mind when I rais my argument Monday.

 

[PC Electrics]

I agree with Lenny.

Tails only an issue if main fuse 100A or more, then code 2 unless it's a small installation that would struggle to overload them in which case code 4.

Guidance for cooker to isolator is max 2m, but this is guidance not a regulation so I wouldn't code it unless access to the isolator was particularly difficult (like the one I saw yesterday on the wall behind the oven - yes you read that right, behind the oven) and then only a 4 because of it not being a reg.

Guidance for proximity of sockets to sinks (from the NIC) is 300mm min. But this is impossible to achieve sometimes and again is not a regulation.

Haven't got a link at the mo, but look on the ESC website for the best practice guide to PIRs. You may find it helpful and be able to use it as back up.

 

[Hirst]

Thanks pc electrics

 

[malcolmsanford]

Best practice guides : Electrical Safety Council

From the ESC and the one of PIR reporting may be of help

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Whilst I find the ESC guides to be very usefull, and I applaud the attempt to bring about a standardisation for coding.
There are some glaring mistakes and ommisions.
For instance the guide for PIRs, does not indicate that lack of RCD protection to bathroom circuits warrents any code at all.

 

[ezzzekiel]

cant see why a simple book cant be made with the most common faults and codes to make life easier

 

[PC Electrics]

Well, isn't that effectively what the ESC guide is? It is, however, just a guide and is not meant to be an all encompassing list of every possible fault on the planet plus its code. No guide could ever be that, it'd make War And Peace look like light bedtime reading.

E54 is right though about some more obvious errors and ommisions. Why not email them to the ESC so they might make the next update (it's been updated a couple of times already)?