Part P 3rd party

[Monkeyblaine]

I've heard that as of today you can get a third party to come in and test and inspect your work as to sign it off. What's the difference between that and being a subby and having the company you work for at the time come in and sign it off. Which is allowed already? How is this third party thing a new rule?

 

[Richard Burns]

According to the building regulations you can, if your are a registered third party certifier, and have been informed of the work in advance, complete and EICR for a new installation and use this to satisfy the building regulations compliance requirements.

If you have your company's QS sign off the installation you have done then this is an EIC that is being completed and this can only be done within the company.

There are as yet no clear indications of what a registered third party certifier is so it would be difficult to implement at present.

 

[Engineer54]

There are as yet no clear indications of what a registered third party certifier is so it would be difficult to implement at present.

Probably someone that gets to pay yet another additional fee to the opportunist scheme providers. They aren't going to let an opportunity like this to pass them by!! lol!!

 

[IQ Electrical]

Probably someone that gets to pay yet another additional fee to the opportunist scheme providers. They aren't going to let an opportunity like this to pass them by!! lol!!

That's exactly what will happen!
There is a 'working group' comprising of DCLG and current CPS providers and they have confirmed that the scheme WILL be separate from the current Competent Persons Scheme with additional requirements for eligibility.
According to NAPIT the earliest possible introduction of the new scheme will be October 2013.

 

[chilliwilly]

If its cheaper than externally notifying building control, it could be worth doing. Especially if its an electrician that works in maintenance that wants to put new lighting in their bathroom or a few extra sockets in their kitchen.

 

[sedgy34]

It's another scam IMO we should all be pleased we have all been put on the electric safe register but soon we will have to pay for that too its always the installer who gets shafted

 

[Toonlad]

Registered competent person


A competent person registered with a Part P
competent person self-certification scheme


Registered third-party certifier

A competent person registered with a Part P
competent person third-party certification scheme

Cut and pasted from Document Part P. Key terms explained on page 10 of the newest publication.

Like you guys said another registration, to sign to. It just gets worse. The more and more these clowns keep trying to .................... i give up **** them all !!

 

[Engineer54]

Registered competent person


A competent person registered with a Part P
competent person self-certification scheme


Registered third-party certifier

A competent person registered with a Part P
competent person third-party certification scheme

Cut and pasted from Document Part P. Key terms explained on page 10 of the newest publication.

Like you guys said another registration, to sign to. It just gets worse. The more and more these clowns keep trying to .................... i give up **** them all !!

Well it really is up to you lads to be honest!! The longer you leave these parasite providers in a position of power over you, the harder it will be to get shot of them.

The sooner you get a National Register of Qualified Electricians, with meaningful minimum registration requirements(similar to those required by say the JIB/SJIB), the sooner you can kick these good for nothing scheme providers into touch!! lol!! You'll also be going some way into cleaning up the domestic electrical industry as a whole!!

 

[sedgy34]

Well it really is up to you lads to be honest!! The longer you leave these parasite providers in a position of power over you, the harder it will be to get shot of them.

The sooner you get a National Register of Qualified Electricians, with meaningful minimum registration requirements(similar to those required by say the JIB/SJIB), the sooner you can kick these good for nothing scheme providers into touch!! lol!! You'll also be going some way into cleaning up the domestic electrical industry as a whole!!

Well please let us know how YOU would go about doing that

 

[chilliwilly]

Yes I couldn't agree more, despite just being accepted back in the niccy on Friday at one of my clients request. We need a licencing system like they have in the US, but preferably like the IP red seal they have Canada that is with you for life. And a volunteer measure to keep up and implement any changes to regs. At the end of the day if there's a loss arising from work that's been carried out, you will be liable whether or not 14th or 17th edition qualified.

The main scheme providers could simply exist to write publications offering the option to provide some clarification or examples to the regs that may cause ambiguity and misinterpretation, if required.

I'm not a big fan of the JIB mind, they wouldn't exist if it wasn't for the ECA. And some of the sparks that I worked with years ago at Vallectricin Leeds, (all I can say is I was desperate). Were nominated through neppatism, not through skill and capabillity.

 

[Engineer54]

Well please let us know how YOU would go about doing that

Sedgy, this is down to YOU and all the others here that it affects. I'm way out of it, Thank God.
As far as i know (check the Internet) there is a campaign that is being run to initiate such a national register (which i have signed up in support of, at the beginning of last year).

It's up to you and the others here to help get it all off the ground!! If you can't be arsed, let others do the leg work, or just except everything that's thrown at you, by these and the other parasites you have all let in, to take over the industry, then that's your problem, no-one else's!!

 

[sedgy34]

It's all the doo gooders cashing in with a safety card every year yet again twisting the knife on the installer who's struggling to earn a living forget the profit

 

[Jay Sparks]

I had my annual Elecsa assessment on Friday and I mentioned this third party thingy to my assesser. He, like most of us on here thinks its a complete farse and a big waste of time. He did say however that there is no extra fee to pay and no new thing to sign up for.......YET!!!!

I also asked him what kind of cert would need to be completed and who is at fault if there was a fire????? He didnt know!!
I think the only cert that sounds practical, until they create a new one, is the multi sig EIC, so at least you can get the plumber, DIYer or who ever does the install to sign the "installtion" part, then the third party tester signs the "I & T" part.....Of cousre, they should just scrap it altogether but thats not gonna happen any time soon..lol

 

[Tuttle]

I had my annual Elecsa assessment on Friday and I mentioned this third party thingy to my assesser. He, like most of us on here thinks its a complete farse and a big waste of time. He did say however that there is no extra fee to pay and no new thing to sign up for.......YET!!!!

I also asked him what kind of cert would need to be completed and who is at fault if there was a fire????? He didnt know!!
I think the only cert that sounds practical, until they create a new one, is the multi sig EIC, so at least you can get the plumber, DIYer or who ever does the install to sign the "installtion" part, then the third party tester signs the "I & T" part.....Of cousre, they should just scrap it altogether but thats not gonna happen any time soon..lol

I was told by someone at ELECSA that they don't have to support the 3rd party sign off if they don't want to and they haven't decided if they are going to or not yet.

 

[Engineer54]

I was told by someone at ELECSA that they don't have to support the 3rd party sign off if they don't want to and they haven't decided if they are going to or not yet.

You can take that statement with a very large pinch of salt i'm afraid!! There is no way any of the scheme providers are going to let an opportunity to rake in money pass them by!! Especially when it will cost them literary Nothing to do so!!