Part P Alternatives

[Big n Daft]

This has probably been done before but times change.
I have a theory on alternatives to the Part P mess. We can all moan, so lets be positive for a change and come up with the alternative/replacement for the big P.
I'll shove my idea forward when a few others have had a go, so as not give anyone ideas.
Crack on chaps and chapesses.





The lid is off the can and we now wait for the worm appear.......................:34:

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Get rid of it alltogether.

 

[Big n Daft]

Good start.
So Spin, no replacement needed.
Others will argue against that, because they think we need regulation to rid the trade of cowboys.
Others will argue that you cant do nowt about cowboys because its cowboy customers that pay them.

 

[Des 56]

Get rid of it alltogether.

Most definitely agree with that.the sooner the better,but its wishful thinking

 

[telectrix]

we can keep part p, but rather than having to join nic or elecsa or napit, allow LABC to check qualifications and inspect 1 or 2 jobs. then register you as an approved contractor.

 

[Big n Daft]

we can keep part p, but rather than having to join nic or elecsa or napit, allow LABC to check qualifications and inspect 1 or 2 jobs. then register you as an approved contractor.

Getting warmer...........................

 

[MarkieSparkie]

we can keep part p, but rather than having to join nic or elecsa or napit, allow LABC to check qualifications and inspect 1 or 2 jobs. then register you as an approved contractor.

Hi TEL, Opps that could be embarassing, LABC in my area contract out all their electrical inspection and testing to NICEIC?

 

[firemanowl]

Anyone wanting to work on anything electrical has to be licenced, like Australia, NZ, USA etc. Unless you have the qualifications or experience you can't get a licence.

 

[telectrix]

Anyone wanting to work on anything electrical has to be licenced, like Australia, NZ, USA etc. Unless you have the qualifications or experience you can't get a licence.

and if unlicenced, you should not be allowed to buy electrical equipment.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Anyone wanting to work on anything electrical has to be licenced, like Australia, NZ, USA etc. Unless you have the qualifications or experience you can't get a licence.

Why, what would this achieve?

 

[Big n Daft]

Why, what would this achieve?

This would bring it all under one umberella that the public would understand. This way the spark not the company would be registered, so when filling a test certificate out your own individual registration number would go on it not the companies. NIC, ELECSA, NAPIT all gone in one fell swoop. This would be policed by Building Control on a national level, getting rid of LABC, and inclued all trades.
Builders are regulated by BC so why not other trades. Each year BC inspects jobs of their choosing and renews your registration. When doing extensions and the like BC see's the work anyway.
Now some smart alec will come and blow holes in that idea I suppose :ihih:

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Perhaps I haven't expressed myself properly.
The vaunted aim of Part P was to increase the public's safety.
Now it has been shown that the systems used in NZ and Austrailia do not improve safety, in fact they do the opposite, which is why the system is no longer in use in NZ, and Australia appears to be about to follow suit and also abandon it.
Already the current Part P system it appears has begun to affect safety.
The number of deaths per year due to accidents in homes appear to have increased by more than double.
I say appear, as the method of recording deaths caused by electricity in homes was been chamged, at about the time Part P was introduced.

If it is the intention to improve safety, then I suggest that not adopting the systems that were in use in NZ and Australia, and ditching Part P would be the best way forward.
If however the intention, is to maximise profits, then perhaps the creation of a closed shop would be the best way forward, and perhaps it would be better to extend the current Part P to cover all aspects of domestic electrical work. Perhaps even to cover commercial and industrial work?

 

[Big n Daft]

Spin'
Commercial and Industrial work is covered by the Electricity at Work and H&S at Work Acts. These are acts of parliament and thus Law, part P isnt an act of parliament.
Like you say what was wrong before Part P????
There will always be cowboys and rogue clients, Part P should be there but enforced through the BC channels.
Here's a good one for you, the homeowner is responsible to BC not the tradesman. Thats it folks do a crap job and BC comes after the homeowner who in turn comes after you. How on earth can that be right??? It just makes it easier for the cowboys to get away with it, shouldnt BC protect the homeowner????