Part P? Are we all being misled?

[Bradzz]

Yep i have read the same thing. But i wonder how much they charge to sign of the Building Regulations Certificate? that could be the thing, i bet it cost an arm and a leg, and i bet they charge different rates, all over England.

just a thought, i read part P a whuile ago, and it states, that the work must be notified to the LABC before work conmmences. if the LABC are needed to inspect thework, this shall be carrioed out free of charge to the householder.

or words tio that effect.
whats stopping me, going about and doing a good job, but stating in mt terms and conditions, that it uptio the householder to notify, and that it is checked by the LASBC. of course i would certify the installation as per normal

 

[telectrix]

ambiguous. when it says "at their expense" does it mean LABC's expense or the expense of whoever they contract to do the testing.?

 

[johnboy6083]

either way, it doesnt say its us!

 

[Bradzz]

And as for not been able to sign off other peoples work, erm, so how does Napit get around this as they put you on to the register of approved testers, so that you can as they say, sign off other peoples work like shower installs and the like.

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/buildingregulations/approveddocuments/downloads

 

[topquark]

And as for not been able to sign off other peoples work, erm, so how does Napit get around this as they put you on to the register of approved testers, so that you can as they say, sign off other peoples work like shower installs and the like.

Planning Portal - Approved Documents - Downloads

Register of approved testers? Please explain.

 

[Bradzz]

Sorry should of said Napits Approved Register, well this is what they said when i made an Enquiry, is this true? is there such a thing.

 

[topquark]

What I find on the Napit site is this:

Can I notify a job if I carry out the electrical inspection & testing?

Approved Document P is quite clear that a scheme member [B][U]can only self-certificate (in other words notify the work through NAPIT) if they have carried out the installation work[/U][/B] (clause 1.19). All other routes involve the work being notified to a building control body (the local authority or an approved inspector) before work starts. From that point there are still two ways in which a NAPIT member could be involved.

Clause 1.22 allows an unregistered installer to submit the BS7671 installation certificate and says that the building control body will take this into account. If an appropriately qualified NAPIT members has carried out third party electrical inspection and testing for such an unregistered installer then they can complete the BS7671 installation certificate providing they follow the advice given in the question & answer above and only sign off the inspect and test element. [B][U]The member cannot notify the job in this case[/U][/B].

Clause 1.26 allows the building control body to contract out inspection and testing. It is clear that the building control body must pay for this work and cannot require the householder to pay. In this case building control bodies would normally appoint a member of a Competent Persons Scheme. [B][U]Again, the member cannot notify the job in this case[/U][/B].

 

[topquark]

Sorry should of said Napits Approved Register, well this is what they said when i made an Enquiry, is this true? is there such a thing.

I think you'll find they are just refering to their membership list. I am not aware of there being any official register of approved installers.

 

[Bradzz]

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[FONT=&quot]15.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Approved Document P is quite clear that a scheme member can only self-certificate (in other words notify the work through NAPIT) if they have carried out the installation work (clause 1.19). All other routes involve the work being notified to a building control body (the local authority or an approved inspector) before work starts. From that point there are still two ways in which a NAPIT member could be involved.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]17.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Clause 1.22 allows an unregistered installer to submit the BS7671 installation certificate and says that the building control body will take this into account. If an appropriately qualified NAPIT members has carried out third party electrical inspection and testing for such an unregistered installer then they can complete the BS7671 installation certificate providing they follow the advice given in the question & answer above and only sign off the inspect and test element. The member cannot notify the job in this case.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]19.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Clause 1.26 allows the building control body to contract out inspection and testing. It is clear that the building control body must pay for this work and cannot require the householder to pay. In this case building control bodies would normally appoint a member of a Competent Persons Scheme. Again, the member cannot notify the job in this case.[/FONT]

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[johnboy6083]

i cant see how on earth you could be prosecuted for not being registered with a scam as long as

a)your work is kosher, and tested/inspected and certified
b) you get the housholder to notify, and dont mislead them in any way.

the approved document seems to contradict itself.

is it possible that the NICEIC/napic/elecsa ect have jumped on the bandwagon, and interpreted in a way that the councils are happy with, because it means less work and cost for them?

if the councils suddenly had to approve a lot of installs, it seems to me, like it wouldnt be long before they resorted to allowing qualified sparks to do it themselves, without part p. they wouldnt have a choice, and their budget wouldnt permit them do allow anything else.

 

[Big n Daft]

Its a mad bad sad world!
There has to be some middle ground in all this. I've just come back to the game having had time out. 20+yrs on everthing from a socket for Mrs Jones to commissioning trains with all manner of install and testing to find it now counts for bugger all.
I suppose its all about proving competance and an understanding of electrical safety, thought I'd done that.
HoHum cant change the system, just pay the money and stand out from the crowd.

 

[Markthisoneout]

I've posted on this subject elsewhere on the Forum but it's worth repeating it here:

When B&Q issue advice notices that state:

"As of 1 January 2005, changes to the Building Regulations affected domestic electrical installations in England and Wales. You don't need to be a qualified electrician to make changes to your home's electrical system, but the work must be done in accordance with the standards in the Regulations."

it's hardly surprising that DIYers do their own work - they are being told they can!

It is made worse by advice pages like this on their website which give superficial guidance on laying SWA cable for an outdoor lighting circuit and without any consideration of the load, cable length, type of supply etc, etc.

B&Q Online: From Kitchens & Bathrooms to Sheds & Paving; plus planning tools

Someone needs to get a grip of the whole licence/certification business or we are all out of a job.