Part P problems

[babyshanks]

Hi guys, I've been searching for the past half hour and can't seem to find a straightforward answer. I've recently been made redundant and all I did was Industrial installations, now I'm looking to work domestic. I'm not setting up my own company, just want to work for someone, and maybe do a private job for friend/family. Do I need part P to do this? I am qualified and 17th edition.

Cheers for any help!

 

[telectrix]

you have a choice. if the work is notifiable, you need to inform building control before starting the work. pay them up to £300 to certify your work. or join a scam, napit, elecsa, or the other one.

 

[babyshanks]

What about if I work with someone who has part P?

 

[sparkdog]

You don't need part P to work for someone provided their business is part P registered but you would for private domestic work.If you look at the ELECSA site it lists the requirements for part P.

 

[Electricalserv]

Even with the building control fee you could quite reasonably get work with that involved. Its the misconception with the general public that you must be part of a scheme.

To answer the posters question as tel said....either register with a scheme or notify building control. If its going to be a one of job and you already have it possibly better to go down the building control route. The schemes ask to see alot on top of their fees. Testers, liabilty insurance etc.....

 

[telectrix]

if he is a scheme member, then he would have to cert. the job/s and notify via his scheme provider, cost about £2. bear in mind that nbot all domestic work is notifiable, for those jobs, you can cert. them yourself.

 

[Electricalserv]

What about if I work with someone who has part P?

When you say part p....do you mean the domestic installers course? Thta still counts for nothing and you need to be Part P registered with a scheme

 

[babyshanks]

Ahh ok, so without part P I couldn't register for, say, NICEIC? But if I worked for a NICEIC registered company, and I was the only one without part P, that would be ok too? Sorry for the bombardment of questions!!

 

[Electricalserv]

Ahh ok, so without part P I couldn't register for, say, NICEIC? But if I worked for a NICEIC registered company, and I was the only one without part P, that would be ok too? Sorry for the bombardment of questions!!

Yes you could....To be Part P registered you need to be with a scheme. You can't just do a a Part PO domestic course and start signing your work off alone.

If you did a rewire and you where not registered wth a scheme NICEIC,NAPIT,ELECSA) You would have to go through building control and tell them 30 days before you started the rewire

 

[sparkdog]

Yes if you worked for an NICEIC registerd company you wouldn't have to be part P registered yourself as there would be a Qualified Supervisor.

 

[Des 56]

Anyone can do domestic electrics
Its the building regs bit that confuses

Part p is a building regs section that deals with electrics in domestics

In a nutshell what it means is, the council gets lots of money for overseeing electrical work, because they have to be informed its going to be done

When you inform them,it costs lots of money and they run the show as far as installation and testing is concerned

Alternatively

Join a scheme and pay them lots of money and each job then only costs 2 or 3 quid


Now the joining the scheme bit,its dependant on being qualified to a minimum level and being assessed by the scheme

Once somebody is in,because its almost certainly guarenteed they can employ any amount of housewives or binmen to do the work and notify through the scheme that alls well
The possible unfortunate customer, then gets a piece of paper saying the install has been carried out and complies with part pants,sorry P

 

[Electricalserv]

Anyone can do domestic electrics
Its the building regs bit that confuses

Part p is a building regs section that deals with electrics in domestics

In a nutshell what it means is, the council gets lots of money for overseeing electrical work, because they have to be informed its going to be done

When you inform them,it costs lots of money and they run the show as far as installation and testing is concerned

Alternatively

Join a scheme and pay them lots of money and each job then only costs 2 or 3 quid


Now the joining the scheme bit,its dependant on being qualified to a minimum level and being assessed by the scheme

Once somebody is in,because its almost certainly guarenteed they can employ any amount of housewives or binmen to do the work and notify through the scheme that alls well
The possible unfortunate customer, then gets a piece of paper saying the install has been carried out and complies with part pants,sorry P

I like this post!

 

[babyshanks]

Ok guys thanks for clearing this all up. You are all a massive help!!

EDIT, sorry didn't see there was a page 2! Thanks for explaining it, slowly learning more and more how much the council/governement are here to make your life more difficult and expensive than it needs to be. Australia here I come

 

[Mark_Burgess]

Ahh ok, so without part P I couldn't register for, say, NICEIC? But if I worked for a NICEIC registered company, and I was the only one without part P, that would be ok too? Sorry for the bombardment of questions!!

Part P is a building regulation, it is NOT a qualification.

Lets say fitting a new circuit into a kitchen, under the Part P of the building regulations, you have to notify building control that covers the area you are working in.
There are 2 ways of notifying as mentioned in the other posts.
1, Directly to the local building control.
2, Through a scheme provider you are registered with.

Edit: Note to self, do not walk away mid post as others reply waaaaayyyyyy before I finish!!!

 

[riotmaster]

Anyone can do domestic electrics
Its the building regs bit that confuses

Part p is a building regs section that deals with electrics in domestics

In a nutshell what it means is, the council gets lots of money for overseeing electrical work, because they have to be informed its going to be done

When you inform them,it costs lots of money and they run the show as far as installation and testing is concerned

Alternatively

Join a scheme and pay them lots of money and each job then only costs 2 or 3 quid


Now the joining the scheme bit,its dependant on being qualified to a minimum level and being assessed by the scheme

Once somebody is in,because its almost certainly guarenteed they can employ any amount of housewives or binmen to do the work and notify through the scheme that alls well
The possible unfortunate customer, then gets a piece of paper saying the install has been carried out and complies with part pants,sorry P

Good call...

I have recently had to notify a domestic job, but we are NICEIC approved contractor. Having never notified before (only ever industrial or non-notifiable), I have submitted, but the brcs.niciec.com website gives a current status of "Pending Submission". Is that referring to they are waiting for our submission of the EIC (if so where / how would I send it) or is it their submission of the certificate?