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Hi guys have been asked to finish a job for builder as sparks has let him down and 2nd fix only,its a bedroom added above a utilty room with 2 x pendants and two x switchs to suit fed from exsisting lighting circuit and 2 x twin socket in new bed fed from local circuit and 2 x smokes mains type interlinked fed from lighting circuit,as far as i can see its all minor works and no special locations,so as i see none of it comes under part p regs?? Any veiws guys??
 
If it were me i would finish job and do a pir.

Who knows what was done before you got there.

You need to confirm with LABC that they will accept this tho.
 
Hi jason ive got access to all cables installed ie loft and floor and have checked them and all good,my question was i did not think part p was required as all new sockets and light points are connected to exsiting circuits and minor works certs are required and as none are in special location was part p notification required as i feel its not???
 
Ah, if the circuits have just been extended then yes MWC for each one worked on is fine.

Also you need to check if the circuits now require RCD protection too.
 
Hi jason they are protected by rcd already as rcd covers exsisting circuits already and yes gas and water bonding is in place! my question is do you feel part p is required as i dont feel notification under the part p regs are required for this one and i would like a veiws from you guys as to part p or not??:confused:
 
I'd go along the route of MWC for all circuits tested... A little get-out clause would be to indicate in the limitations exactly what you have done along the lines of '2nd fix & Recording Test Measurements - Visual inspection Of 1st Fix (where visible) & No Disturbance Of Decor'
Cable runs can be checked with metal/voltage detector to ensure such are in prescribed zones. Again, include such in your limitations.
Limitations are for your protection.
 
Part p???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????:d

Since January 1, 2005, all electrical work (apart from simple like-for-like replacements of damaged power points and light fittings) has been subject to approval by local authority building control officers.
Part P explained - what does Part P actually mean?

Any DIYer who fits a new lighting circuit in the kitchen, say, or installs an electric shower, is obliged by the new Part P of the Building Regulations to supply plans in advance to the council, and then pay for an inspector to come out to test the work.
Electrical works carried out as part of major works requiring a Building Regulations approval will be included within the principal application. If works are only being carried out to the electrical system, a separate application must be made, unless the work is carried out by a competent person, registered with an approved Part P self-certification scheme. If this latter route is chosen, the competent person must provide a self-certification certificate to the customer and forward a copy to the authorities within 30 days.
So what are the chances of that happening? Potentially as likely as every DIYer who fits an outside tap calling the water company to ask if he could please have his water bill increased. It’s the law, but will it be ignored?
For professional electricians, the situation is even more complicated. In order to avoid the expense and hassle of getting a council building control officer to inspect their work, they now have to become a member of one of the five government-approved (but privately administered) competent persons schemes. This requires an annual fee of around £500, and extra fees for the registration of every completed job.
So what is the point of this new Part P legislation?

The Part P changes were intended to regulate building workers who have only peripheral contact with electrical work, such as Kitchen Fitters, heating engineers and burglar alarm installers, whose primary purpose is not to rewire houses, but whose work requires them to connect things to the electricity supply.
However, the government committed to privatised regulation, and it therefore decided that anyone who connects cables to current must pay money to join a private, profit-making scheme. So life-long skilled electricians are being lumped-in with the other trades and forced to pay for this Part P registration.
What are the rules for “non-electricians” under Part P?

There are two levels under Part P - Full Scope and Defined Scope. Those registered with Full Scope schemes (BRE, BSI, ELECSA, NAPIT & NICEIC) can carry out any electrical work and other trades registered under Defined Scope schemes (CORGI, ELECSA, NAPIT, NIC & FTEC) can carry out a limited amount of electrical work, for example gas fitters, kitchen or bathroom fitters and alarm installers.
Will Part P legislation raise standards.

Some people think that Part P will amount more to a collective dumbing-down of standards. There are also concerns as to how is it going to cope with the really dangerous practitioners - the cowboys and incompetent DIYers - who will ignore the new rules and carry on as before. Is it instead, penalising the good guys - the conscientious, qualified electricians who have always done things properly anyway?
We would love to know your views - especially anyone that is effect by Part P directly.
Now for the complicated bit:
To what types of electrical work does Part P apply?

a) in a dwelling
The term dwelling includes houses, maisonettes and flats. It also apply to electrical installations in business premises that share an electricity supply with dwellings, such as shops and public houses with a flat above.
b) in the common parts of buildings serving one or more dwellings
The common parts of buildings includes access areas in blocks of flats such as hallways and shared amenities in blocks of flats such as laundries and gymnasiums, but excludes power supplies to lifts
c) in a building that receives electricity from a source located within or shared with a dwelling
d)in a garden or in or on land associate with a building where the electricity supply is from a source located within or shared with a dwelling
e) electrical installations located in outbuildings
such as detached garages, sheds and greenhouses.
f) electrical installations that operate at voltages not exceeding 1000 V a.c.
Notifiable work includes new installations, house re-wires, and the installation of new circuits, also includes additions to existing circuits in kitchens, bathrooms, outdoors and in other special locations.
What types of electrical work are ‘non-notifiable’ under Part P?

a) replacing accessories e.g. socket-outlets, control switches and ceiling roses
b) replacing the cable for a single circuit only, where damaged.
On condition that the replacement cable has the same current-carrying capacity, follows the same route and does not serve more than one sub-circuit through a distribution board
c) re-fixing or replacing the enclosures of existing installation components, if the circuit’s protective measures are unaffected
d) providing mechanical protection to existing fixed installations
If the circuit’s protective measures and current-carrying capacity of conductors are unaffected by increased thermal insulation
e) work that is not in a kitchen or special location and does not involve a special installation and consists of:
- Adding lighting points (light fittings and switches) to an existing circuit, only if the existing circuit protective device is suitable and provides protection for the modified circuit, and other relevant safety provisions are satisfactory.
- Adding socket-outlets and fused spurs to an existing ring or radial circuit, only if the existing circuit protective device is suitable and provides protection for the modified circuit, and other relevant safety provisions are satisfactory
-Installing or upgrading main or supplementary equipotential bonding
Special locations and installations:
Locations containing a bath tub or shower basin
Swimming pools or paddling pools
Hot air saunas
Electric floor or ceiling heating systems
Garden lighting or power installations
Solar photovoltaic (PV) power supply systems
Small scale generators such as microCHP units
Extra-low voltage lighting installations, other than pre-assembled, CE-marked lighting sets

Hope this helps all those ???????????????????? :D
 

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